Thread: Disco 3 or 4. Your opinion welcome.

Oops didn't mean to upset you Toyota fans.. I was merely commenting on the status of new automotive diesels per se..which I stand by...and which I suggest is the reason why many manufacturers are returning to petrol engines. Look at Europe and Europeans who once had a fixation with them..but pollution laws.. dpf ..issues etc have ended that.

Would I buy a new Toyota diesel..hell no ..but I would and have owned older Toyota diesels 2H..1HD etc and agree they are good engines albeit often gutless for their capacity. Had a Prado with D4d which before the DPF issues which proved to be a good car..but again nothing like the petrol power we currently have esp for towing where it really struggled.

Been around Toyota V8s too and yes they can be made into a good engine but many would agree the older 1HDFTE is a better engine again. The V8 will be replaced by a V6 so they say.

Anyhow.. I can recommend the petrol D4 SC very highly..IMHO it craps on a 76..79 series or a 200 series and does not require heaps of mods to make it go or carry loads..oops..sorry I did it again😁

There is no doubt that the D4 is a good 4WD/Car But there is No way on Gods earth it will out pull, out carry or even out range a 79 series V8 ute.
The 79 series V8 is a small 4WD truck Not a 4WD/car and it is as tough as nails without all the "gadgetry" that tends to stuff up like a D4 does.
When I first bought the 20' Jayco expanda I did look at getting a D4 to tow it But after test driving the 79 series and the D4 there was No contest as to which 4WD had more "Grunt".
The 79 series sure aint fancy But it is rock solid and has balls like coconuts.
There is also that incredible sound that comes fron the lightly chipped motor with the 4' SS exhaust to listen to as well.

Originally Posted by trout1105

There is no doubt that the D4 is a good 4WD/Car But there is No way on Gods earth it will out pull, out carry or even out range a 79 series V8 ute.
The 79 series V8 is a small 4WD truck Not a 4WD/car and it is as tough as nails without all the "gadgetry" that tends to stuff up like a D4 does.
When I first bought the 20' Jayco expanda I did look at getting a D4 to tow it But after test driving the 79 series and the D4 there was No contest as to which 4WD had more "Grunt".
The 79 series sure aint fancy But it is rock solid and has balls like coconuts.
There is also that incredible sound that comes fron the lightly chipped motor with the 4' SS exhaust to listen to as well.

Mmm..not sure about that one...think 250kw plus 8 speeds..i raced a chipped 79 up hill out of Kingston..farty exhaust n all..and smashed it to the extent the driver put all his big spotties on me and shook his fist out the window😃 i think I hit 160 or so..stupid I know..won't do it again🙄

I really don't want to go back to the 70s..vehicle wise that is..might like to for the girls I knew back then..but not for the cars😉

Best 79 series I saw was one with 25k worth of portals plus air suspension..diff locks etc plus chipped plus lots of other goodies inc wide rear end..steering lock mods..35s..etc. It went very well off road. His son in a standard 79 did not..could not manage even moderate stuff.

Anyhow. Whatever floats your boat I guess!!

A 79 series is NOT a racing car and I doubt that they will do 160kph, That's Not what they are about.
Like I said a 79 series V8 WILL tow heavy loads easier, WILL carry far more cargo and they CAN travel for 1000K's before they need refueling
Racing at speeds of 160kph is Childish and bloody dangerous.

Originally Posted by trout1105

A 79 series is NOT a racing car and I doubt that they will do 160kph, That's Not what they are about.
Like I said a 79 series V8 WILL tow heavy loads easier, WILL carry far more cargo and they CAN travel for 1000K's before they need refueling
Racing at speeds of 160kph is Childish and bloody dangerous.

.......and so they SHOULD tow heavy loads easier! That V8 engine @ 4.5 litres and either single or twin turbo is a lazy tired engine and needs a good kick up the a..e and told to wake up, considering the pathetic kw and nm torque it produces for its capacity. L/rover and Euro engines (Audi/Benz etc) produce same or more hp/nm out of 3.0 litres and have proven to be very reliable as well. That V8 isn't fuel efficient at all according to a mate with an 8 mnth old LC200, he says his 12 yr old F150 V8 5.7 litre petrol auto 4wd Extra cab is just as efficient and he prefers driving that over the new LC200. With respect, anything can travel 1000kms on a tank if the tank/s is/are big enough. The Caravan Facebook site I'm on sees LC200 owners towing around 3 tonnes at avg 22-24 lphk. My D4 with 3.0 engine and 8 speed box gets 16-18 lphk easily, towing a 3.0 tonne c/van. The LC V8 diesel is inefficient and a real slug considering its size.

Originally Posted by trout1105

A 79 series is NOT a racing car and I doubt that they will do 160kph, That's Not what they are about.
Like I said a 79 series V8 WILL tow heavy loads easier, WILL carry far more cargo and they CAN travel for 1000K's before they need refueling
Racing at speeds of 160kph is Childish and bloody dangerous.

Totally agree and I won't do it again😎

Anyhow I do admire Toyota for continuing producing 70 series trucks after all what would the Taliban use otherwise..and locally, many aftermarket businesses rely on them for income...including my SIL who rubs his hands when owners drive into the shop for mods with cash in hand😁. One woman spent over 50k on her new 79s truck..and I gotta admit I was impressed with the final product. But I simply could not afford to invest 4 times the amount the D4 cost me nor would I put my grand daughter in a vehicle lacking modern safety privisions.

Originally Posted by Discodicky

.......and so they SHOULD tow heavy loads easier! That V8 engine @ 4.5 litres and either single or twin turbo is a lazy tired engine and needs a good kick up the a..e and told to wake up, considering the pathetic kw and nm torque it produces for its capacity. L/rover and Euro engines (Audi/Benz etc) produce same or more hp/nm out of 3.0 litres and have proven to be very reliable as well. That V8 isn't fuel efficient at all according to a mate with an 8 mnth old LC200, he says his 12 yr old F150 V8 5.7 litre petrol auto 4wd Extra cab is just as efficient and he prefers driving that over the new LC200. With respect, anything can travel 1000kms on a tank if the tank/s is/are big enough. The Caravan Facebook site I'm on sees LC200 owners towing around 3 tonnes at avg 22-24 lphk. My D4 with 3.0 engine and 8 speed box gets 16-18 lphk easily, towing a 3.0 tonne c/van. The LC V8 diesel is inefficient and a real slug considering its size.

Its not necessarily what is written on paper,have a good look at the power and torque curves for both the variants of the 1VD-FTV.

IF you can get 16-18l/100 out of a D4 travelling on the speed limit(not sitting on 80 to90k's holding everyone up),towing 3.0T,that is some sort of record,unless its got a tailwind.
More like 18 to 20l/100 would be actual.Even more at times,depending on conditions.

And no thats not what i read somewhere,or someones uncle told me,its my own experience,and travelling with a mate who has the later 3.0l 8 speed,both with vans at about 3T.

I don't know why people are so fixated about fuel economy,when the major cost of vehicle ownership is depreciation(particularly if the vehicle is new or newish) and repairs/maintenance.A couple of liters/100 here or there is virtually nothing compared to total overall costs of the vehicle.

And for the record a mate has a 3yr old Sahara,and gets 12l/100 all day around town.My D4 gets no better,around town.
My D4 will get low 9's on a run,empty,where his will get mid to low 10's.The difference is negligible.Mine is tuned,his isn't.The Sahara weighs over 250K more than mine,empty but both full of fuel.
And when he gets rid of it at the 5 yr mark,it will be worth well over $20 to $30K more than any LR product,same age and condition,bought for the same price.
The Sahara may be old school,but who really cares,over total vehicle ownership,it will hit you a lot less in the hip pocket.The Sahara also has had not one repair so far,where my D4 had quite a few silly small repairs in its first 3 yrs we had it.And repairs have continued.

But i like my D4,its a great vehicle,suits our needs perfectly,even though its highly complicated,is expensive to maintain,and has huge depreciation.

The real issue is LR don't have a new vehicle for my needs,so this will probably be the last LR i will own.Apart from the S1 in my Sig.The Defender will be gone shortly,replaced already with an LC76.

I will wait for the New defender,and the 200 series replacement,before i make any decisions.

Safety provisions are also v important and that's why I would not buy a jeep nor a 70 series inc for towing. BTW my SC will tow all day over 3t loads of firewood at 14.8 k/100ks..but I don't give a fig about fuel use comparisons ..more to do with the type of vehicle that suits us for family safety. ..comfort ..towing ability..maneuverability..dexterity eg lowering suspension for a 90 year old...and LCs can't match these requirements for sub 40k...or even new.

Depreciation? Yes it's a problem compared to Cruisers but many Australians are drawn to conservatism...I'm not☺

The D4 if f'n brilliant and for that brilliance a few character flaws are totally acceptable IMHO.