The L405/L494 sub-frames are alloy for less weight, the D5s are steel to be stronger and the new Defender are thicker steel for more strength again. How strong do you need?
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						SupporterI’ve been looking at a new discovery a bit lately and noticed there isn’t really any price difference between a 2018 discovery 5 and a 2015 Range Rover vogue which really surprised me, happy to not be the one coping that depreciation:
reading the stats I note the following between my D4, D5 and the RRV
1) Best mileage = rrv
2) best ground clearance = rrv
3) best approach and break over = rrv
4) best departure = D5
5) lightest overall weight = RRV
6) most power = D5
7) biggest payload = RRV
width and length are almost identical, D5 7cms taller
summarising this is appears in terms of off-road capability the RRV is possibly better than my D4, no seven seat option of course
given lots of the RRV have less than 50.000km and you are getting a heck of a lot of car for this price what is the weak points?
I like the fact it’s the same car for a number of years now so perhaps more reliable?!
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						The L405/L494 sub-frames are alloy for less weight, the D5s are steel to be stronger and the new Defender are thicker steel for more strength again. How strong do you need?
MY21.5 L405 D350 Vogue SE with 19s. Produce LLAMS for LR/RR, Jeep GC/Dodge Ram
VK2HFG and APRS W1 digi, RTK base station using LoRa
I would either buy a late model D4 or a new Defender (which I regard as an evolution of the D4 more than any other model). I have lost all interest in Rangies and whatever the D5 is.
2013 D4 expedition equipped
1966 Army workshop trailer
(previously SII 2.25 swb, SIII 2.25 swb & lwb, P38 Vogue, 1993 LSE 3.9V8 then HS2.8)
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						SupporterThe defender is very appealing to me but with only a 4 cylinder diesel it won’t cut the mustard for towing my 3.2 van so I’ll have to wait until a bigger engine becomes available.
im not sure about the chassis part. I just want to be able to drive around the city, take the van on holidays and drive on the beach - not sure what all the extra strength is for either?
I’ve decided to hold on to my L322 tdv8 for a few more years, but keep an eye on prices, features & value of the L495/494/D5.
There’s no doubt the L405 used is great value considering their new price. That’s what I found when buying my last car and comparing L322/D4/D3. You got a lot more stuff in the vogue. Coming from an Isuzu 110 I thought all that stuff was not that appealing to me but would entice the family back into road trips. My wife loves the heated seats, how big and comfy the seats are, how quiet it is and the great sound system (& I have povo pack). Now I too would find it hard to give up. The difference after a big day on the road is amazing. You don’t get out of the car feeling exhausted. That quiet extraordinary comfort makes a difference.
But the L494 is cheaper and not much smaller, but lighter.
The D5 is newer and that is definitely a plus in such complex cars. You also get stuff like Apple airplay which is handy.
They all have the same ZF trans and similar tdv6 motor.
L322 tdv8 poverty pack - wow
Perentie 110 wagon ARN 49-107 (probably selling) turbo, p/steer, RFSV front axle/trutrack, HF, gullwing windows, double jerrys etc.
Perentie 110 wagon ARN 48-699 another project
Track Trailer ARN 200-117
REMLR # 137
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						We looked at the ones you mention and settled for a D4 SC..more space than the RRs we looked at..which is what we wanted... but...they were invariably in poor condition. Looked at the D5...but wife could not see out of it as well as the D4..and styling was...well..odd at the back😞
The SC was the best to drive and given diesel running costs we opted for the petrol ...250kw..8 speed..yum yum.
So I guess it's what you find best suits your needs.
I will get a RR one day tho..hopefully a SC petrol🤤
The SCV6 paired with 8HP certainly sounds good and will be included in cars I look at when time comes to buy again.
Another small difference between D4 and L405 (& L322) is rear shock location. Not 100% sure about D5/L494 set up. On L405 the shock is outside the air spring which makes swapping one out a lot easier on the side of the road. My era L322 has the same shock left and right so only need to carry one spare, if on a trip a long way from anywhere. The later CVD setup has a unique part no for left and right.
Also having the shock outside of the spring probably allows heat to dissipate better particularly on corrugated roads.
L322 tdv8 poverty pack - wow
Perentie 110 wagon ARN 49-107 (probably selling) turbo, p/steer, RFSV front axle/trutrack, HF, gullwing windows, double jerrys etc.
Perentie 110 wagon ARN 48-699 another project
Track Trailer ARN 200-117
REMLR # 137
Went thru a similar comparison recently.
Wanted an SDV8 RRS Dynamic with some warranty left.
Due to great pricing ended up with a new SD6 HSE with all of the the options i wanted except for ediff.
The RRS's were great buys but there always seemed to be something not there i.e. interior colour, no drive pack, just out of warranty etc.
Cheers
Chuck
MY 24 Grenadier Trialmaster
MY 03 D2a
Ex D1, D2, D2a, D3, D4, Prado, D4, D5, MY 23 Defender
73 series 3 109 Truck Cab Tray Body, 79 Series, 76 Series
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						Yup..our experience exactly.
Parked next to a black Velar r dynamic HSE today..a much lower roof line than the D4..more than I thought😞
But..what a great looking car..hard to believe the styling is...7 years old now? Wife has not stopped talking about it since...she wants it for our 42 year anniversary today.
So I bought her KFC instead😣
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						SupporterI went down that route and bought a 2013 TDV6 Vogue instead of a D5 or another D4. I still have my old D4 with 290,000km but the RRV is incredible compared with the D4 in every way except luggage capacity. I had to fix a couple of things which the previous owner should have fixed under warranty but it has had no faults since those early days. It had 42,000km when I bought it in late 2017 for around half of the new car price.
I tow a Zone RV 18.6 OffRoad with the RRV and have done nearly 80,000km in the last 2.5 years to put it at over 120,000km now. This includes three trips across the Nullarbor in that time. I try not to drive it too much to make it last but as you can see that hasn't worked very well! The good thing about the older L405's is that the max tow bar load is 350kg, whereas the newer ones now seem to be rated at 150kg, at least in the publicised specs. They also have a very high payload, especially in the 200kg lighter TDV6, and the GVM can be increased by 100kg when towing at speeds up to 100kph, which must make it one of the highest payload wagons around.
Bob
2010 D4 3.0TDV6 SE, ediff, LLAMS, 5 x GOE wheels, LT285/60R18 BFG K02's, GOE Compressor Guard, LR Tank, Mitch Hitch, ECB Bull Bar, Kaymar Rear Bar, Traxide, Safari Snorkel.
2019 Discovery 5 SD6 SE, 20 inch wheels, 275/55R20 Nitto Grappler G2 tyres
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