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    Quote Originally Posted by josh.huber View Post
    I bought the manuals from this website and saved them onto my tablet which lives in the car..I use the search function on it to bring up what I need. Whether it be codes or wiring diagrams etc. Great way not to be without help
    Following on from Tommy Armstrong's question and Josh Huber's reply, I thought I would do a test. I 'borrowed' SeanC’s recent fault code of C1A27-14 and tried searching the manuals I had also purchased on this site. No joy ☹

    So I tried searching just C1A27. That worked 😊

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    As you can see, the full code is there. There must be an issue with the typed hyphen. But it was easy to find by the first 5 characters.

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    Hyphens can be a pain in search engines and pdf files. Glad the search was good. I've always found it useful for my problems

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    Quote Originally Posted by josh.huber View Post
    Hyphens can be a pain in search engines and pdf files. Glad the search was good. I've always found it useful for my problems
    In general in a search engine hyphen means “exclude”. So a search for C1A27-14 will give you every C1A27 that does not have 14 also. If you quote it “C1A27-14” it’ll bring up what you are after.

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    So, since this thread is hijacked, I thought I'd ask here since I'm struggling to find the way to do this, if it can be:

    This YouTube video shows reading the Terrain Response and how long each mode has been used for: Land Rover Discovery 3 buying tip: Was it used for offroad driving? - YouTube

    I've been poking around with the Gap IID Tool and haven't found anything like it.

    Does anyone know if it can be done and how?

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    Yes that sort of data is available on the GAP IID tool. However, you may not necessarily be able to see it.

    In standard form the software allows you to view a subset of the data available - the so call 'Quick List'. Look under the "Line Values" menu. This is a list a data you are most likely to need, according to GAP at least.

    To view all the data possible you must ask GAP to give you access to the beta testers version of their software (think that's what it's called). If you have this version, then in addition to what is in the "Quick List" of data, you will also be able to view what ever is in the "Complete List" of data, supposedly everything logged by all ECUs.

    From the "Quick List" no data from the 'ATCM terrain Response' module is available to view. But from the "Complete List", distance and time in modes 1, 2, 3 etc are able to be viewed from within the ATCM module.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferret View Post
    Yes that sort of data is available on the GAP IID tool. However, you may not necessarily be able to see it.

    In standard form the software allows you to view a subset of the data available - the so call 'Quick List'. Look under the "Line Values" menu. This is a list a data you are most likely to need, according to GAP at least.

    To view all the data possible you must ask GAP to give you access to the beta testers version of their software (think that's what it's called). If you have this version, then in addition to what is in the "Quick List" of data, you will also be able to view what ever is in the "Complete List" of data, supposedly everything logged by all ECUs.

    From the "Quick List" no data from the 'ATCM terrain Response' module is available to view. But from the "Complete List", distance and time in modes 1, 2, 3 etc are able to be viewed from within the ATCM module.
    Awesome! Thanks for the info!

    Seems like a strange thing to not have given the cost of the device when compared to the icar device shown in the youtube video.

    I'll go check it out in a sec.. and spend a bit more time learning my way around the application.

    UPDATE: Read the values fine. Interesting to see the KM's each of the modes have been driven in!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by plaven View Post
    Seems like a strange thing to not have given the cost of the device when compared to the icar device shown in the youtube video.
    The extra functionality gives you the ability to shoot yourself in the foot. They've kinda locked that away "on request" because in some instances in shooting yourself in the foot you can blow your leg off. So it's kinda "Please enable this, I know with great power comes great responsibility and I indemnify the creator of the product against any claim should I accidentally brick my car".

    Mine has saved me countless trips to the workshop. In fact since I got the workshop manual and the Gap I don't think I've had to pay anyone to do any work on it at all. Mind you, I did find some "irregularities" in the logging/graphing function that they told me would require a significant re-work and probably never get fixed, but I haven't needed that since I replaced the HPFP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BradC View Post
    The extra functionality gives you the ability to shoot yourself in the foot. They've kinda locked that away "on request" because in some instances in shooting yourself in the foot you can blow your leg off. So it's kinda "Please enable this, I know with great power comes great responsibility and I indemnify the creator of the product against any claim should I accidentally brick my car".

    Mine has saved me countless trips to the workshop. In fact since I got the workshop manual and the Gap I don't think I've had to pay anyone to do any work on it at all. Mind you, I did find some "irregularities" in the logging/graphing function that they told me would require a significant re-work and probably never get fixed, but I haven't needed that since I replaced the HPFP.
    Yeah, that's fine, I was happy to see I can get the values of the Terrain Response... I guess I have to spend more time with the application.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoDB View Post
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    Reckon that's the best description I've ever heard of CAN. Everyone yelling at each other.
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    Really depends what you want it for. For us the purchase of the GAP Diagnostics IID Tool has well paid for itself. It's allowed me to program three replacement Smart Keys, read and clear fault codes, apply ECU remap and EGR deactivation patches for our two D4s - and anything beyond this now is continued dividends. Plus the hardware retains some of its own value if I was to ever decide to sell it on.

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