Thread: New model Ford Ranger has 3litre V6

Originally Posted by scarry

In another life we used to run refrigeration compressors in trawlers coupled to CAT 3208.
Can’t remember any real issues,but they no doubt did have some.

That comment about the 300,is something LR are yet to learn after 70 yrs…..

But let's not forget - Toyota changes their fluids much more often than do the Euro makes.

That LR recommend a single oil change a year, is stupid IMO.

Same too with their transmission fluid change schedule. Hang on - they don't really have one for the transmission!!

And its easy for us to be more frequent.

But with a Toyota, they provide a fixed cost for each service. So to retain your warranty, its pretty easy. And today, its becoming normal for service pricing for warranty periods to be bundled with the purchase price.

the LC v6 3.3 litre 300 diesel requires servicing every 10,000km or 6 months, whichever comes sooner. That was according to Drive when I read about the LC 300 when it was introduced.

But the Oil-finder site published this:

3,3L diesel engine (F33A-FTV)

For EURO V/IV - 0W-20 ACEA C5 Except EURO V/IV - 5W-30 API CF-4 or ACEA B3, B4, B5 or JASO DL-0

6,6

Replace when maintenance reminder indicator is ON or 5000 km (3000 miles) or 6 months (for severe conditions

✅ TOYOTA Land Cruiser J300 2022- recommended oils and capacities

the LR or Lion 3 litre has a bit less oil in it too - I think the 6.6 for the Toyota is it's total oil capacity, dealer change is I think about 6 litres. So that says one should replace the motor oil in the new LC 300 motor every 5,000 km in severe conditions. Australia is severe conditions, for many of us at least.

Reading about crank issues in the Lion in 2014 before I bought my D4 and since that time, oil has been mentioned as a possible issue. Along with 5 or so other "maybees". And oil gets diluted by distillate fuel in diesel engines, which is another reason why more oil changes are required in diesel engines.

IF one is concerned, then change the oil more frequently. And with the recommended oil. Same too with the tranny. And let's not forget the differentials.

Originally Posted by Melbourne Park

But let's not forget - Toyota changes their fluids much more often than do the Euro makes.

That LR recommend a single oil change a year, is stupid IMO.

Same to with their transmission fluid change schedule. Hang on - they don't really have one for the transmission.

And its easy for us to be more frequent.

But with a Toyota, they provide a fixed cost for each service. So to retain your warranty, its pretty easy. And today, its becoming normal for service pricing to be bundled with the purchase price.

the LC v6 3.3 litre 300 diesel requires servicing every 10,000km or 6 months, whichever comes sooner. That was according to Drive when I read about the LC 300 when it was introduced.

But the Oil-finder site published this:

3,3L diesel engine (F33A-FTV)

For EURO V/IV - 0W-20 ACEA C5 Except EURO V/IV - 5W-30 API CF-4 or ACEA B3, B4, B5 or JASO DL-0

6,6

Replace when maintenance reminder indicator is ON or 5000 km (3000 miles) or 6 months (for severe conditions

✅ TOYOTA Land Cruiser J300 2022- recommended oils and capacities

the LR or Lion 3 litre has a bit less oil in it too - I think the 6.6 for the Toyota is it's total oil capacity, dealer change is I think about 6 litres. So that says one should replace the motor oil in the new LC 300 motor every 5,000 km in severe conditions. Australia is severe conditions.

Reading about crank issues in the Lion in 2014 before I bought my D4 and since that time, oil has been mentioned as a possible issue. Along with 5 or so other "maybees".

IF one is concerned, then change the oil more frequently. And with the recommended oil. Same too with the tranny. And let's not forget the differentials.

Oil may well be a part of the issue causing crank failure, with my D3 I have a dipstick which I fill to the max at every change which gives longer oil life and less oil temperature stress under hard conditions as opposed to D4's where you don't really know the oil level status with any certainty. After all I rarely see a dealer put any more oil in than they have to. Just my thoughts. Nick

Originally Posted by Pippin

Oil may well be a part of the issue causing crank failure, with my D3 I have a dipstick which I fill to the max at every change which gives longer oil life and less oil temperature stress under hard conditions as opposed to D4's where you don't really know the oil level status with any certainty. After all I rarely see a dealer put any more oil in than they have to. Just my thoughts. Nick

Soon after I bought my D4 I took it to QLD from Melbourne. I bought it during the annual LR discount period, it had 4k on it and was the service manager's car, which was actually the case. I stopped into refuel the vehicle but couldn't find the dip stick ... I asked the country town service station's attendant there, and he had a friend with a recent Disco like mine ... but the friend didn't answer his phone so I couldn't find it out. I read the manual that night.

And even checking the oil level is not simple - one has to idle the warm vehicle for some time, on horizontal ground. It seemed to me a huge downside of the vehicle. Why change something that works, and replace it with something that is inherently less reliable, more costly to make including the changeover of hardware, and because it takes much longer to perform the function, effectively negates checking one's oil?

Originally Posted by Melbourne Park

And even checking the oil level is not simple - one has to idle the warm vehicle for some time, on horizontal ground. It seemed to me a huge downside of the vehicle. Why change something that works, and replace it with something that is inherently less reliable, more costly to make including the changeover of hardware, and because it takes much longer to perform the function, effectively negates checking one's oil?

Wait until the level sensor has failed,and has to be replaced,a rediculously huge job.A few on here know all about that.

The new ingenium engines have dipsticks.

You could say the same for the rotary dial gear selector.
Another dumb idea that caused a heap more issues than a shifter ever caused,in both LR and Jag vehicles.

I wonder why it has been dropped?

Seems some manufacturers have to learn the hard way.

Originally Posted by scarry

Wait until the level sensor has failed,and has to be replaced,a rediculously huge job.A few on here know all about that.

The new ingenium engines have dipsticks.

You could say the same for the rotary dial gear selector.
Another dumb idea that caused a heap more issues than a shifter ever caused,in both LR and Jag vehicles.

I wonder why it has been dropped?

Seems some manufacturers have to learn the hard way.

It's Engineers having "bright ideas".....
I firmly believe the 3.0 engine would not have any crank bearing failures if the brg caps had the small locating tabs which engine manufacturers have used since they went to shell bearings in the 1950's.
Older and experienced auto and heavy machinery mechanics could supply an endless list of stupid designs that have existed over the years.
Not only Pommie engines; all Countries have spawned them.

With my 3.0 engine, I simply check the level via the readout BEFORE I start the engine first thing in the day.
The level difference from standing overnight to having run it for a while is negligible and anyway, it won't give you a reading until approx 10 mins after the engine has shut down in order to ensure the 'froth' has settled.
It doesn't use a drop between 8-10,000 klm changes.

Originally Posted by Discodicky

It's Engineers having "bright ideas".....
I firmly believe the 3.0 engine would not have any crank bearing failures if the brg caps had the small locating tabs which engine manufacturers have used since they went to shell bearings in the 1950's.

Which is probably a Ford issue,that unfortunately turned into an LR issue.

But its LR that continued to sell vehicles knowing there was a huge issue with the engines,for decades.

Originally Posted by scarry

Which is probably a Ford issue,that unfortunately turned into an LR issue.

But its LR that continued to sell vehicles knowing there was a huge issue with the engines,for decades.

Which is NO different to every other vehicle manufacturer.
To quote from a movie:
AxBxC = X.
If X is less than the cost..we don’t recall..

Originally Posted by scarry

Wait until the level sensor has failed,and has to be replaced,a rediculously huge job.A few on here know all about that.

The new ingenium engines have dipsticks.

You could say the same for the rotary dial gear selector.
Another dumb idea that caused a heap more issues than a shifter ever caused,in both LR and Jag vehicles.

I wonder why it has been dropped?

Seems some manufacturers have to learn the hard way.

The new Ingenium engines are failing now too.
Lots of interesting issues….. not one of them due to having a dipstick.