Thread: New Engine or Reconditioned Engine

My commiserations I’ve just had my 2010 D4 3litre engine replaced after overhearing caused non recoverable cylinder damage
Replaced with long engine ex UK from JLR
No short blocks available with any sort of warranty.
Yes it was $$$ (ouch) - I now have a “new” car with a warranty. It was less expensive than buying a descent used D4
Most indies find engine replacement a challenge (I don’t blame them) and most are up to their eyeballs with work.
I chose Southern Land Rover since they have the guys who have been doing this type of replacement for more than 20 years and provided the warranty
Safe and happy travels 😊

I too have had MY14 D4 3.0TDV6 have a crank failure at 168,500k. I guess I was fortunate in a way as I purchased off a Secondhand stealer and repair was covered by warranty. It took 12 weeks for them to get parts from UK and do the rebuild. Seems to be going great at the moment, but I have only done around 1000km since getting it back. I now hope it hold together for at least another 8 to 10 years and 200,000k

Originally Posted by LeeThal

Most indies find engine replacement a challenge (I don’t blame them) and most are up to their eyeballs with work.
I chose Southern Land Rover since they have the guys who have been doing this type of replacement for more than 20 years and provided the warranty

Just to clarify with what you have said above...

*I could bet most indy Land Rover repairers (me included) don't find doing an engine swap in a D4 a challenge and can bet most have done more than the dealers (certainly more than Southern).
*If I have done at least 40, Rovertech (indy Land Rover repairer) round the corner from me have prolly done a few hundred and they certainly have more experience than Southern.

*Just ask the workshop at Southern how often they phone Rovertech for advise on Land Rovers.
*20 years? again this is not the facts, most dealers including Southern have a far higher turn over of staff in the workshop than most indy repairers.
*I would say all decent indy repairers offer a warranty, mine on engine replacements is 12 months 20K, which I think is fairly standard.

Originally Posted by scarry

Should have been some sort of class action or whatever.

The manufacturer did continue to sell vehicles with these engines for decades knowing there was an issue with them.

Ford would have known of the issues as well.

Just imagine if this was happening to a high volume vehicle,Ranger,Hi Lux,Triton,or whatever.It would have been all over the media,etc.

LR have definitely somehow dodged a bullet.

I'm surprised there havn't been more class actions around the world o this issue - not sure how they've managed to doge the bullet. Maybe just the low numbers. Given how many are i the UK and Europe, you'd think they'd have done something. Only place to do it properly as I understand it was South Korea - and interesting how JLR handled that: seems vehicles whet in for an inspection where they checked the tolerances (not exactly sure what these tolerances were - but something to do with crank/bearing) and if found to be outside then they got a new free motor from JLR. If this is not a scam by JLR, and you'd have to be a brave company to pull a scam on a government (as I understand it the South Korean government initiated the action), then why can't the rest of us use the same technique to evaluate our susceptibility?

You're about one of the bigger brands - they would have been onto it quicker than scomo giving himself secret powers.

Insurance is a bugger as it's so complicated and complying with regulations would make it a difficult undertaking. Was thinking more along the lines of what in south africa is called a 'stokvel' - group of people come together and pool money to help 1 member get a house (or something expensive), and then the next and so-forth until all have a house. Just done on trust (and patience) and lack of access to credit. If 5000 people put $150 pa into a 'pool' - thats $750k pa to pay for new motors. $250 is $1.2M.

Maybe LR should take note of Mazdas customer service.

My brother has a 2013 Mazda 6 diesel - he bought it a couple of years ago with 50,000km and it now has 210,000km. Not sure of the exact details but these engines pump raw fuel into the DPF to burn of the carbon etc but the engine has a design fault and the fuel can sometimes find its way into the sump - the car has a sensor to pick this up. Anyway the car was being driven to work and the engine failed due to poor lubrication caused by fuel dilution of the oil - the sensor had failed.

Car is now in with Mazda getting a new engine $10K-$15K - no cost to my brother - as I said this is on a car with 210,000km and was bought as a second hand vehicle.

A pity LR did not have the same customer service ethic.

Garry

And for those that knock Tojo,a mate has a 2016 LC,bought second hand,not much service paperwork,has done the servicing himself for the last 2 yrs he has had it.
Has 190 000Km on it.

Toyota just replaced the two EGR assemblies,two EGR coolers,two DPF's,and the 10 injectors.
No Charge.

Had to wait for the parts,took 5 weeks,gave him a loan car.

Second hand vehicle,unknown service records,way out of warranty,and a job that probably cost the manufacturer around $15 to $20K.

But it was a known issue,and his VIN was on the list as needing it done.

Wake up LR.

Its the crap on these diesels that are causing most of the issues,EGR,DPF,etc,etc.

Originally Posted by scarry

Toyota just replaced the two EGR assemblies,two EGR coolers,two DPF's,and the 10 injectors.
No Charge.

I'd certainly kick up of they charged me for 10 injectors on my V8...

I know it's just a mistype.. But I thought it was funny!

FWIW a friend is going through the hoops with a late model Triton, I think at this stage they are even denying it's a Mitsubishi..

Another mate has one, reckons it's brilliant, never had an issue.

Another mate has one, had nothing but issues from new, been back several times for auto problems, still can't be fixed properly, and they don't wanna know about it.

Same car also has rust around the windscreen, dealer says it's someone else's fault for damaging the paint..a mate in the trade said it might have something to do with the ship full of rusty ones that turned up at Port and had to be rust treated before sale.... But it never happened apparently.

Sometimes the attitude of the dealer makes or breaks cars in a specific area or even country.

I was also told dealers for some brands are now charging $180-$190 per HR for labour... That cannot be correct can it?

Originally Posted by scarry

And for those that knock Tojo,a mate has a 2016 LC,bought second hand,not much service paperwork,has done the servicing himself for the last 2 yrs he has had it.
Has 190 000Km on it.

Toyota just replaced the two EGR assemblies,two EGR coolers,two DPF's,and the 10 injectors.

I hear the LC V10 is a collectors item!