Thread: Air vs Coils

Garry
Appreciate your help and advice.

You can't actually research LC200 reliability so the only basis of a decision is the driving experience and reputation. I certainly wouldn't touch a LC100 with a barge pole; its slow, uses more fuel & doesn't stop. The coil Disco is a far better drive IMHO.

Would also choose Landrover for the sales performance - much more polished. Can't believe what a turnoff Toyota sales staff are ... try to close before they find out what you want & few know their product.

But - why don't you go and drive LC200 and make the comparison?



Jeremy

Have we considered that the vehicle you are testing in is faulty? D3's have harmonic balances at the back of the vehicle. These ensure the smooth and non-motion sickness status on the ride of the D3. If they are not working correctly this may be the cause of what is being felt.

Like others that have posted already, SWMBO is very prone to motion sickness, and since the D3, no issues. No other 4x4 that I have been in, has the same ability of both on road comfort and road holding, and off road ability, in my 'umble opinion. This combination is what is so good about the D3.

Air, and therefore Terrain Response, all the way.

Forest
We drove 2 vehicles from 2 different dealerships over different roads. If they were both faulty then I should be seriously worried!!

The car was brilliant over speed bumps - much better than the LC200 - but it was the smooth road performance which was the problem. Even in this country, you do spend more time on smooth roads than on dirt.

The biggest problem is there is no potential for a fix as the system has zero adjustment. At least with coils you can easily modfiy.

Jeremy

Not quite true, although commonly perceived as such. There's a fair scope for adjustment, it's just that most new car owners don't really want to fiddle with their car because of possible warranty issues (and the same is true for new coil-based cars).

For instance, one can change the dampers (pricey, but possible) for a German sports set, adjust the height sensor arms, change tyre size, do a body lift (so the Yanks claim anyway). What more would you _want_ to do?

Many of us have driven the stock car (some towing campers, caravans) across the Gunbarrel, Canning Stock Route, the Kimberlies, the heart of the Pilbara - all pretty demanding territories - without any major issues or concerns.

Cheers,

Gordon

Originally Posted by JeremyB

Garry
But - why don't you go and drive LC200 and make the comparison?Jeremy

Jeremy,

I think I would rather drive my 1957 Series 1 to Darwin and back with the top down and no ear muffs than drive a Toyota LC 200 around the block

Garry

Originally Posted by JeremyB

Garry
Thanks for this .. confirms what we had thought.

Our problem is that neither of us like the ride in the air suspended models. Its fine from behind the wheel - but in the passenger seat both felt it would be easy to get car sick. Plus the slight question mark on reliability.

Went back and drove both models again to make sure - and then drove the new LC200 which has a good ride as well as excellent ground clearance and 50% more torque. Also has Bluetooth as standard plus Hayman Reece compatable towing kit. Price is a bit of a premium - less so when you take the cost of a larger tank and wheel carrier into account.

Its looking like it'll get the nod.


Jeremy

The D3 air suspension has a feature called ARM(Active Roll Mitigation) which stops body roll when cornering, so you shouldn't get carsick. I told the salesman they should call it Active Roll Suspension Engineering As with ACE on the D2 it is a great idea

All I can say, JeremyB, is are you sure you test drove a D3?

carsickness? Poor smooth road performance? Can't have been a D3. In two years and 106000km, I've never experienced either.

Followed an HSE down Windsor Road yesterday and you could see the thing moving around on its suspension ... plain weird. And that's on a brand new road surface without any bumps or anything.

It's clearly not for us ... we ordered a LC200.


Jeremy