Once bitten...

**bruiser69** · 28th July 2009, 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by gghaggis

Like Caver's, I don't think the D3 is particularly expensive to repair. The point about the diff seals isn't that they _cannot_ be replaced, but that LR were replacing the entire assembly (at their cost) to ensure no further claims. In part this was probably a reaction to loss of consumer confidence in the Defender diffs that were failing.

I replaced an entire rear suspension strut - air-bag, shockie etc - for around $700. I thought that was pretty good. A complete new fuel tank, with lift pumps, filters etc was around $1500. I replaced the front wheel flares (black ones) for around $250 for the pair!

Maybe people should phone their local LR dealer and enquire on the spare parts prices. Sure, there may be one or two outrageously priced items (and every manufacturer has those), but in general they're not as expensive as some of you believe. And for the out-of-warranty, extreme-penny-counters, you can alway order parts from the UK, which are generally at a lower cost.

Cheers,

Gordon

I was considering the purchase of a D3 TDV6 (05-07) until I read that the diff seals can't be replaced. This is crazy!
I use my D2 TD5 mainly on sand and clay (consistency of bulldust) tracks on Stradbroke Island, and the seals take a hiding.
Has anyone worked out how to replace the seals?

Cheers..B

**gghaggis** · 28th July 2009, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by bruiser69

I was considering the purchase of a D3 TDV6 (05-07) until I read that the diff seals can't be replaced. This is crazy!

Cheers..B

Who told you that the seals can't be replaced?? All I said was that (for vehicles still under warranty), LR are generally replacing the whole unit. That's their choice (and one that most customers are happy with). You can buy a seal and replace it yourself if you want (instructions are on the LR GTR site). Or have a service agent do it for you.

Cheers,

Gordon

**Leo** · 28th July 2009, 09:53 AM

edit: Gordon beat me to it.

**ozscott** · 28th July 2009, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by BigJon

I saw all those things being done under warranty when I worked at a Dealer.

Diffs were replaced because the seals aren't replaceable

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None of those things would stop the vehicle (with the possible exception of the battery).

This is a post from this thread....from a person who worked at a stealers...."the seals arent replaceable". Has anyone got a part number and availability for the diff seals?

**ozscott** · 28th July 2009, 03:10 PM

Bruiser - I spend a fair bit of time camping at Flinders with my D2 V8...dont let the D2 go mate!

Cheers

**gghaggis** · 28th July 2009, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by ozscott

This is a post from this thread....from a person who worked at a stealers...."the seals arent replaceable". Has anyone got a part number and availability for the diff seals?

Apparently LR don't list the seal as a spare part, but the aftermarket and diff guys do - UK D3 owners (eg "Bodsy" on disco3.uk) have bought and replaced the seals. And LR list the procedure for replacing a seal. I think that pretty much shows that there is no reason why you can't do it. If you own a D3 and need to have them replaced, I'm sure I could look it up for you.

Cheers,

Gordon

**bruiser69** · 28th July 2009, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by ozscott

Bruiser - I spend a fair bit of time camping at Flinders with my D2 V8...dont let the D2 go mate!

Cheers

Yeah, I might upgrade to late 04/05 TD5. These are very good value & have advantage of locking centre diff for towing camper trailer up the so called 'entrances' to camps along Main Beach, now that is so badly eroded.

Cheers..B

**ozscott** · 28th July 2009, 06:26 PM

Mate - I have towed into Flinders plenty of times including a 23 foot dual axle van (road tryes on the van) and have been into those powdery entrances to Main many times unladen and always with stock 29 inch tyres...I went to 31 inch a while ago and took on Fraser at its dryest and it ate it up including Indian Head - dead set amazing an a manual too. I dont have CDL, so if you havent tried bigger tyres give that a go before worrying too much about CDL matey. The difference between stock and taller tyres is huge. I had a mate with an 03 manual V8 but with diff lock as standard with me at Fraser and he didnt do it any easier...it would be of some help I guess (having a 95 auto with it also) but with the bigger tyres I reckon there is literally nothing to it.

Cheers

**gghaggis** · 28th July 2009, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by ozscott

Mate - I have towed into Flinders plenty of times including a 23 foot dual axle van (road tryes on the van) and have been into those powdery entrances to Main many times unladen and always with stock 29 inch tyres...I went to 31 inch a while ago and took on Fraser at its dryest and it ate it up including Indian Head - dead set amazing an a manual too. I dont have CDL, so if you havent tried bigger tyres give that a go before worrying too much about CDL matey. The difference between stock and taller tyres is huge. I had a mate with an 03 manual V8 but with diff lock as standard with me at Fraser and he didnt do it any easier...it would be of some help I guess (having a 95 auto with it also) but with the bigger tyres I reckon there is literally nothing to it.

Cheers

<RANT ON>
Oh give us a break - mate. I had a D1 on 35's that'd eat a D2 for breakfast etc etc etc ...... do you want me to go on (and on and on and on) about how better off I was with the D1?? You've been doing this for the last 2 years. Have you actually bought a D3? Or driven one??

None of this is the point. The D3 is a good 4WD. It's new tech. Like ANY new 4WD (including the D2 when it was the current model), it's pricey to service and repair. But no more than any other NEW 4WD. If that's too much, stick to an older model. There's nothing wrong with that. But stop scaremongering on the D3 site and then ignoring the answers to the questions you ask.

<RANT OFF>

Cheers (hic),

Gordon

**ozscott** · 29th July 2009, 06:54 AM

Mate - you are on a bender....I saw your answer and hope you are right about diff seals. I was responding to a post above from someone at a dealer SAYING that they were NOT available - hope you are right. As for my experience I have owned the 95 D1 for 7 years now and my 02 D2 since new....and before that have driven many 4wds of all brands...I have used 4wds including my own off road extensively. My point to the gentleman from cleveland was that CDL is not necessarily a big thing when considering selling his non CDL D2 just for another slightly later D2 WITH CDL....you need to read better, re-read, then turn on your own filter before posting.

Cheers

PS. And please dont assume that someone's experience with 4wds and LRs is limited to the joining date on this forum (as you have assumed in your post) because you can end up looking a little silly to be honest

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