Disappointment

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Originally Posted by Disco44

Stock standard all Landrovers eat anything Tojo has for breakfast and then spit out what remains.

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I would disagree...

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Originally Posted by MobyDisco

At upwards of $70K, I'm not sure it's a poor man's anything...

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Suffering safe deposit boxes Batman - he may well be right :eek:

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Originally Posted by gghaggis

I was told by a Nissan mechanic that although Toyota have a far more extensive rural dealer network, they can't fix any of the new models anyway, as they don't have parts or the diagnostic system updates to do it. Your nice new Toyo will just sit there for 6 weeks whilst they try and get the bits shipped (usually from Japan).

And why would a Nissan guy lie about a Toymota? :angel:

Cheers,

Gordon

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Local Nissan dealer spent over $10K a couple of years ago for the huge wheely trolley that is their diagnostic system. The thing is three times the size of a mechanics tool trolley.

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Originally Posted by Scouse

That's how it came about but things are different these days.

In fact, you'll soon see Land Rovers 'split' into 2 different markets. One will be the 'off road' side & the other will be the 'on road'.
It's starting to happen now on one of the 2010MY line up so watch this space :).

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So is the 2.7 D4 the off-road version and the 3.0 D4 the on-road one?

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Originally Posted by justinc

I repair and service all models of Discos, 1, 2's and 3's and I'd prefer long distance touring in a TDV6 SE D3 above all of them. Off road a well kitted D1 Tdi auto would be my pick, and If I wanted a great tourer AND off road vehicle, a 2003 onward Td5 chipped auto D2a would be the best allrounder. (Yes D3's are pretty awesome offroad, but I feel a little too big and 'scratchable' than a D2)
Love driving the D3 though, haven't tried a petrol one yet, but very impressed with the TdV6.

My 30c,

JC

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X2

This is one of the main reasons i have kept my D2.

And i had the use of a D3 for a week,TDv6.

Don't get me wrong,the D3 is an awesome vehicle & way ahead of the D2 in so many ways.

My 20c worth:angel:

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Originally Posted by rmp

I would disagree...

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Thats the good thing about living in Oz .We can disagree.
Friend of mine had a Hilux.Bought a new caravanTook it to the Territory and Nth WA a couple months back.Came home traded the Hilux in on a 100 Series.Took it for a trip up to NQ .Came home has to date spent $9000 dollars on Turbo ( he is a Totota buff but said it wouldn't pull the hat off your head) and suspension.Some thing happened to the 100's computer cost the dealer $2500 under warranty to fix . Both I and another mate have Landies and they have sufficient grunt to pull both our vans plus the durability to take us and our campervans ( we also have off road vans)to the cape twice.Both landies are stock standard except for snorkels.His is a TD 5 Mine a 300TDI.
Cheers,
John ( disco 44 )

Which is fine, and I can find lots of Toyota owners who have reverse stories. But I thought you were implying that Land Rovers are better offroad than Toyotas, and that is not necessarily the case.

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Originally Posted by rmp

Which is fine, and I can find lots of Toyota owners who have reverse stories. But I thought you were implying that Land Rovers are better offroad than Toyotas, and that is not necessarily the case.

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That my friend is a big statement.Check out approach , departure angles,and wheel travel between the 2 makes ( stock standard).That is what gives any make its off road ability.Toyota can be made that way by modification Landrover has that from scratch.Check out my attachment .No wheel travel caused that.Over 2 hours later we freed him.That was at Cape York at Gunshot.
Cheers,
John ( disco 44 )

Ever ramped a LC100 or LC200 against a Defender or Discovery? The wheel travel is comparable, and in fact the 200 with KDSS outramps a D2, and the LC100 live axle. Check the clearance and angles for the 76 vs Defender. The 200 vs D3 is a bit different as the latter is height-adjustable.

In my experience, Land Rovers do not romp all over Toyotas when it comes to offroad capability. I'd go further with a twin-locked (factory option) 76 than a Defender for example.

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Originally Posted by rmp

Which is fine, and I can find lots of Toyota owners who have reverse stories. But I thought you were implying that Land Rovers are better offroad than Toyotas, and that is not necessarily the case.

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The same can be said for any marque, and herein is the point. Whether it's Tojo or whatever is all up to the indivudual...no vehicle is perfect and that is something we can all agree upon. As a Jeep owner who's buying a Land Rover for a 2nd vehicle, I'd still trust a well sorted Nissan GQ 4.2 diesel over nearly anything...just a shame that the good ones are out of my budget. For what it's worth, I feel that a standard TJ Wrangler will ****e over virtually anything else off which has come from the showroom floor, but that's just my opinion.Horses for courses yeah? :wasntme: