Disappointment

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Originally Posted by rmp

Ever ramped a LC100 or LC200 against a Defender or Discovery? The wheel travel is comparable, and in fact the 200 with KDSS outramps a D2, and the LC100 live axle. Check the clearance and angles for the 76 vs Defender. The 200 vs D3 is a bit different as the latter is height-adjustable.

In my experience, Land Rovers do not romp all over Toyotas when it comes to offroad capability. I'd go further with a twin-locked (factory option) 76 than a Defender for example.

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Missed again.check these out and are you are an off the shelf toyota or modified.
Also my discovery and my mates defender all went over the same obstacles and never got stuck once and got back to the bitumen unscatched.
The trip up the Telegraph Track will test any vehicle Have you had a crack? A lot pay $2000 to have their trucks taken by freighter back to Cairns rather then face the 1000 K's back down to bitumen roads. We have done it twice but in very well prepared and capable trucks.
John

Off the shelf for both, factory options only.

But I think we'll just agree to disagree.

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Originally Posted by rmp

Off the shelf for both, factory options only.

But I think we'll just agree to disagree.

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ok i agree,
maybe one day we may meet somewhere cape? Cheers and best wishes
John

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Originally Posted by El Duderino

The same can be said for any marque, and herein is the point. Whether it's Tojo or whatever is all up to the indivudual...no vehicle is perfect and that is something we can all agree upon. As a Jeep owner who's buying a Land Rover for a 2nd vehicle, I'd still trust a well sorted Nissan GQ 4.2 diesel over nearly anything...just a shame that the good ones are out of my budget. For what it's worth, I feel that a standard TJ Wrangler will ****e over virtually anything else off which has come from the showroom floor, but that's just my opinion.Horses for courses yeah? :wasntme:

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G'Day my young brother has a jeep ..not sure what model..but he and I did the NSW and Vic high country ( fire trails ) and I was impressed indeed with its capabilities.One down turn only ..could do with a lift.He tells me that Jeep in their wisdom bought his model to Australia 1in lower then normal ..but apart from that it excelled and if you have been on those trails it ain't no piece of cake ..thumbs up to the little beggar it went well
John ( Disco 44)

The nut behind the wheel can make a lot more difference to the off road capabilitity than the ones on the vehicle. ;)

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Originally Posted by CaverD3

The nut behind the wheel can make a lot more difference to the off road capabilitity than the ones on the vehicle. ;)

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that reminds me of heaps of computer story's (some not so urban myths ) :angel:

To El Duderino I recently had to drive back from Townsville to Brisbane (approx 1375 km) and decided to do it overnight. The journey started at 10 am on a Friday and finished at 6:30 am on Saturday. Except for hundreds of wallabies (eating at the side of the road) and one large kangaroo (standing 10 m or so from the roadside) and 4 large deer (one of which was light-blinded in the middle of the road and was still there as I braked, veered to the side of the road and went past his/her startled face) the road was pretty clear. The vehicle (a TDV6 D3 auto) was a sheer delight to drive. I travelled at 5-10 km below the posted speed limit (as I find that is the best way to travel at night) and was passed by quite a few B doubles (haven't seen so many in any drive that I have done, ever). Quite a few cars passed me too but I was very aware of the dangers of wildlife on the road at night having driven it quite often about 20 years previously.

My point? I am glad that I did the trip in such a comfortable and surefooted vehicle. I arrived in Brisbane not feeling as bugg*red as I recall 20 years previously in sedan cars (that others would have considered more comfortable than a D3). Sure, it wasn't a 4WD journey and it was undertaken on a dark night but the D3 was certainly a very comfortable way of cleaning up those kilometres. And the overall fuel consumption was great at 8.33 l/100 (average speed including fuel stops was 93 kmh). The cons? The headlights were below par for night time driving on that road and the radio was unable to lock onto stations for too long so that kept me busy seeking more entertainment. But I take your point that it is very car-like and along with its offroad and van towing capabilities is precisely why I bought mine in Jan 2006.

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Originally Posted by LeighW

I arrived in Brisbane not feeling as bugg*red as I recall 20 years previously in sedan cars (that others would have considered more comfortable than a D3).

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That is exactly what I have found with my TDV6 SE over the past 18 months. It is by far, the most comfortable and easy to drive vehicle I have ever owned. Nine hour drives between Adelaide and Melbourne are completed with no 'jet lag'.

[QUOTE=peterall;1126765]That is exactly what I have found with my TDV6 SE over the past 18 months. It is by far, the most comfortable and easy to drive vehicle I have ever owned. Nine hour drives between Adelaide and Melbourne are completed with no 'jet lag'.[/QUOTE
One day I will own one.That MPG is better that I can get out of my 300TDI
Cheers
John ( disco 44 )

Disco44 - I should qualify that my 'usual' fuel consumption is normally around 10 l/100 (driving around Brisbane residential streets and to the Gold Coast/Tweed Heads) and when I get the time to get away with the 2.5 t Bushtracker it drops to around 16 l/100. But all my D3 fuel consumption is way better than the Pajero (petrol model) that I drove for many kilometres.