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    RRS - Upper Tailgate Unlocking on Start

    Jumped in the RRS this morning and started and there was a rattle in the back. Drove off and then noticed the tailgate open message was on the display. I arrived at the shops car park and closed the upper tailgate and locked the car.

    On coming back to the car and on starting I heard the upper tailgate unlock and then the message appeared. On testing, the upper tailgate is unlocking by itself just after the engine fires - not when the ignition is turned on and not when the starter is engaged but just as the engine fires.

    Any clues on what might be causing this - it is only the top tailgate that unlocks and sometimes you can hear the servo trying to lock the tailgate without success.

    I suppose like all things on these vehicles every function is unnecessarily controlled by a computer - I will try a hard reset when the rain stops but am interested to hear if anyone else has had similar issues.

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    Is your key FOB button set to unlock the upper or lower tailgate? You might try using the other key.

    Cheers,

    Gordon

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    Quote Originally Posted by gghaggis View Post
    Is your key FOB button set to unlock the upper or lower tailgate? You might try using the other key.

    Cheers,

    Gordon
    Already thought of that - one key is set for the tailgate and the other for headlights on, so tried both keys and it does it with both.

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    The RRS UK forum suggested that the upper tailgate latch could have corrosion so causing the problem.

    I have had a good look at this today - the actual switch seems OK and even with the switch disconnected the actual lock disconnects up to 60 secs after engine start. There is an electrical pulse coming through the system unlocking the upper tailgate between 1 and 60 secs after engine start.

    I removed the actual lock and removed the little electric motor - with only the electric motor connected it runs for about 1.5 secs up to 60 secs after engine start so it is the car that is telling the lock to unlock. I did a hard reset of the car's computers with no change. I read the codes and found two general electrical faults and signal faults. I cleared these and then recycled the tailgate lock and started the engine - the fault came back but no fault codes were logged in the system.

    So at this time I am at a loss what the issue is. I tried closing the top tailgate and disconnecting it at the connector with the intention of just using the complete tailgate but disconnecting the top tailgate electrically also disables the bottom tailgate so no access to the cargo area.

    Ideally I would like to try a new lock but there is no where I can get access to one without buying one ($120), so not prepared to do that just yet in case it does not fix the issue.

    Other ideas would be appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garrycol View Post
    Already thought of that - one key is set for the tailgate and the other for headlights on, so tried both keys and it does it with both.
    Have you tried the other fob?
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    Quote Originally Posted by garrycol View Post
    I have had a good look at this today - the actual switch seems OK and even with the switch disconnected the actual lock disconnects up to 60 secs after engine start. There is an electrical pulse coming through the system unlocking the upper tailgate between 1 and 60 secs after engine start.....
    Ideally I would like to try a new lock...
    As it happens with the switch disconnected, a different lock wont help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Graeme View Post
    As it happens with the switch disconnected, a different lock wont help.
    Don't quite follow. The UK site indicated that that the switch can get corrosion in it and cause the issue but if the lock is removed from the circuit and the latch still opens when a pulse comes from the car maybe the latch is faulty and responds in the incorrect manner when the computer sends a pulse through on/after start.

    That is the other aspect that has me baffled is to why the car sends a pulse through on start to up to 60 secs after start. It is not to test if the door is open as there is another way of doing that I have not sussed - with the latch closed and the hatch open the tailgate open message does pop up.

    All very confusing - looks like I will have to do what the stealers do and that is replace parts one by one and then find that it is not a hardware issue but a software issue but still charge the client for the not needed parts.

    I did ask the dealer yesterday if I could try a new latch first but the response was "you try you buy".

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    My vehicle is setup for all the doors to lock once it gets up to a couple of klms an hr, is it possible it is trying to lock with all the other doors and is opening instead?? Just a wild guess!!

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    Sounds like something is shorting to earth, causing the lid to open. Check the wiring in the tailgate lids & see how goes it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by garrycol View Post
    Don't quite follow. The UK site indicated that that the switch can get corrosion in it and cause the issue but if the lock is removed from the circuit and the latch still opens when a pulse comes from the car maybe the latch is faulty and responds in the incorrect manner when the computer sends a pulse through on/after start.
    The switch provides an earth path on a wire from the bcu. If the switch is corroded then the wire could provide a sufficient path through the corrosion but if the switch is removed then no earth path is possible.
    The lock motor has only a single power and an earth wire indicating that the motor only unlocks rather than both locks and unlocks. The switch does not interact with the lock itself, only the bcu.

    Can you currently use the unlock switch?
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