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Thread: Wheel nuts - fit dry, or with neversieze?

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    Wheel nuts - fit dry, or with neversieze?

    Up to 80-90% of the torque being applied is just to overcome the frictional losses - this is both friction on the thread, and friction of the mating surfaces at the head. Only 10-20% goes into tensioning the bolt.

    When you add some lubricant, you reduce the amount of friction on the thread and so less torque goes into overcoming this friction, and more torque goes into tensioning up the bolt which provides the clamping force.

    The more tension that goes into the bolt, the closer you get to the yield point.

    As a rough guide, adding a lubricant to the thread can reduce the frictional losses by up to 30-40%, and unless you reduce the torque being applied to compensate, this means you are adding more tension to the bolt itself.

    You can recalculate the correct torque if you know the material specs and expected coefficient of friction. But very important to know the original grade to determine how close we are to the yield point before a lubricant is added.

    Engine oil reduces the frictional losses the most (and we know a little bit of oil covers a large area), but some anti-seize products reduce friction less and are better suited.

    If you do add a “little bit of lubricant”, I would probably just drop the torque to 120Nm.

    Edit: and I have to stress - this is only an issue if the original studs are grade 8.8. If the original studs are grade 9.8 or 10.9, then 140Nm is well below the recommended dry torque.

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    you can buy a dry spray-on molybdenum sulphide lubricant which works a treat.

    I think you can get it from caterpillar or crc outlets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ramblingboy42 View Post
    you can buy a dry spray-on molybdenum sulphide lubricant which works a treat.

    I think you can get it from caterpillar or crc outlets.
    Just remember they are designed to significantly reduce the frictional losses and increase the clamping force in high load applications.

    The technical data sheets will normally provide the new K factors to use to recalculate the reduced torque settings to use to prevent over torquing the bolt.

    You will find though they are not intended for use on wheel nuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tins View Post
    Like Paul says, here we go.....

    D2s have the same issue. I don't oil the threads, and have never seen the practice*, but I def use anti seize between the wheel boss and the hub, and the outside of the nuts.

    * Not saying it's wrong, Ron.
    This is the only method I have ever used, never had a broken or siezed stud ever.
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    Using a few drops of oil on wheel nuts is a practice commonly used in the trucking industry, primarily to overcome increased friction from dirt and minor damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoDB View Post
    Using a few drops of oil on wheel nuts is a practice commonly used in the trucking industry, primarily to overcome increased friction from dirt and minor damage.
    I clean them if there is any crap on them.
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