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    Emergency Key 02-05 L322

    Hi Guys.

    I am wanting a solution for securing the car while at the beach. The options as I see it are
    1. A combination lock box like Seacured, or
    2. A "door only key", key that is not affected by hours of water submersion, usually only good for opening the door.

    Hiding a key on the car or anywhere else is stupid and there are increasing reports of Seacured (or Surf Lock) boxes being opened and bye bye car! In looking into Door Only keys today I noticed this in the owner's manual

    KEYS AND HANDSETS
    You have been supplied with two remote
    handsets with integral keys which operate all
    locks and an emergency key, designed to fit into
    a wallet or purse. The emergency key can be
    used to open the doors and start the engine, but
    has no remote functionality.

    We have the 2 original keys but I've not heard of or seen an "emergency key"?. I understand that the full key essentially has two systems contained in it, The remote to unlock the car and the chip to talk to the immobilizer. I assume that the emergency key contains the chip so the car will start with it, and won't be worried about getting wet - is this correct?

    Anyone got one? Anyone know if I can get a new one?

    Other option for a Door Key, is to buy a blank off ebay, get the blade cut and remove the electrics. Hide my full key inside.
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    Last option is easy and cheap. Those eBay keys don't have the RFID chip in them, so they will never start the car. If the electronics fry the first time you go for a dip in the sea, then they will be all sorted...

    Most good locksmiths here can cut these.
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    Cheers, thanks. 9 pound delivered.

    Now where to get it cut? Spoke to 2 businesses today, both want $35.
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    $35 sounds about right unfortunately.
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    Yep - not cheap

    $35 is definitely right.

    Had one cut today (although I did get a 10% discount) for about that amount.

    This new key has all the electronics in it (including the RFID chip) for about 60AUD. Now all I need to do is find a way to read and program the ECU and the key.

    Saw a programming tool on FleaBay but at a tad more than I'm prepared to pay at the moment "just to tinker". Anyone know where the EWS ECU hides??

    The new key now works in the door lock. I followed the key synchronisation procedure and now I have two keys that can open or lock the doors and cancel the alarm via remote, but still only one that will start the car.

    9GBP sounds good for a shell that will get you out of most grief AND you won't need to worry about it getting wet!!

    Cheers,
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    Got a link to the programming tool? Maybe I could go you halves....
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    I scuba dive and I take my Key down to 15mtrs regularly in a waterproof camera bag, Only A$2 and works. If you are taking it for a dip just make sure its sealed properly, only takes 5 seconds to double check

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    Key Programmer

    Hi Gav,

    I've seen them for a variety of prices, dependent on function mostly, from $80 to $900.

    The one that seems to be most popular is the AK90 which is for the BMWs of the era but as we all know we FFRR folk at the beginning of the L322 cycle share all the security stuff with BMW, who owned LR back then.

    The best ones are the ones that will read/write all the security data over the K-Line but they are mucho expensive. Its cheaper to just get the key through a stealer.

    Generous offer Gav, and I just may take you up on it. Not right now though. Have other fiscal priorities to deal with until after about Labour Day. Then I can think about getting the key thing sorted. If I can make it work I have a fellow owner interstate who may like his key programmed also. Like I say though, future project.

    Normal forum programming will continue directly.

    Cheers,
    Iain

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    What about this one?

    For the dollars, I would order one myself if it would work, then happily lend it to others...

    T-code T300 Key Programmer V12.01 Best Quality_Auto key Programmer_Auto Key and Locksmith Tools_Auto Diagnostic Tools,Codes Reader,Auto Software, Key Programmer Suppliers from China-OBD2TOOl

    Says Land Rover it the list of supported vehicles but not BMW... and has the OBDII adaptor....

    Or, if you could post a few links of ones you think may work.

    Thoughts?

    Cheers - Gav

    EDIT - if the above programmer would work, and this key from Flea bay - LAND RANGE ROVER 3 BUTTON L322 VOGUE HSE REMOTE KEY 433MHZ + CHIP FULL KEY FOB | eBay - is the 433MHZ unit the one we need?

    And $35 to cut it, all in it would cost me about $300 for 1 key - half the price of the stealers. Add to that if anyone else wanted to get another done cheaply and wanted to chip in $10 to borrow the programmer... it would help offset the cost a bit...
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    Hi Gav,

    Interesting bit of kit, especially at the price. The most important piece for us folk is the inductive programmer for the RFID chip. I didn't see anything in the pictures for this unit that indicated that it has, or uses, one. Can't make the key work without it.

    It's possible that it uses the cars own ignition barrel loop to do this as that's what happens every time you insert the key and attempt to start the car. The ECU synchs with the key and writes the new code to the key. If it uses the cars inductive loop this could be a good buy indeed. It's still an issue though initially as you can't turn the new key in the ignition barrel until the ECU recognises the RFID chip. This is why an external RFID programmer is required.

    The approx process that needs to be followed is:-

    Read ECU and determine which keys are enabled.
    If reusing an existing slot then proceed to program key step.
    If setting up new key position enable key in ECU.
    Write/verify ECU information for all keys.
    Read ECU key information for key to be used.
    Write KeyID and starting code to RFID chip in new key.
    Insert key into ignition and check synch OK.
    If OK start car with new key.

    The HawkEye tool has the ability to activate/de-activate keys and synchronise the ECU. I'm sure other tools have this functionality too.

    The key piece (pun intended) is getting that pesky little RFID chip to have the correct key code and have it match with the ECU so the rolling codes work to unlock the ignition barrel and start the car whenever that particular key is used.

    The locksmith who cut the shaft of my new key was happy to attempt to program my key - until I pointed out that it used a rolling code and he couldn't just clone my current working key!

    Cheers,
    Iain

    EDIT. Yep, that's the same key as I've just obtained. A good deal even before the key programming thing.

    Here are a couple of programmers that I believe should do the job BUT you need to gain access directly to the EWS chip. There's one here or here.
    Last edited by RangieBit; 12th January 2013 at 08:14 PM. Reason: Added some stuff.

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