Great post Harlie,,
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Hi Guys
I thought some would find this interesting, if not helpful.
It appears all of us here, myself included, were of the opinion that a failure in the front air strut is due to the air bag, which in this case is standard rolling bellows. We all point to a fatigue crack in the bag usually where it is rolled over in normal height. In a former life I had a lot to do with heavy vehicle air suspension systems and this is definitely the case with them. However in the case of the front air spring on the L322 this is not true. OK there will always be some cases...
After much reading and testing with a 15 day old strut that has failed I can report that the vast majority of failures are not the bag. Most failures are due to internal seals.
In the case of our front strut assembly it is a standard rolling bellows, but unlike the rear air springs, or the air spring under trucks, it is fitted over the shock absorber. There are a series of seals and O rings (I count 9 in total) that seal the air spring components (top plate and bottom piston which is plastic) to the shock absorber passing through them. There is also an upper strut mounting face (contains the 3 top mounting bolts) which is connected to the air spring top plate via a bearing which allows it to spin so the entire shock absorber and air spring can spin back and forth during normal steering.
The upper mounting face contains the inlet port for the airline to connect to the air spring, internally the air passage allows for rotation between the 2 plates. At this stage I haven’t determined exactly how or what this internal system is. It is in addition to the 9 seals, and all replacement air spring assemblies I have found (like in pic) have this already installed and sealed in the 2 plates when it arrives.
Clip in the link below posted by Storey of RSW AllComms fame.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0E8TE1RDZk"]Air spring/Shock Absorber separation[/ame]
This also explains why rears are more reliable. The rears are simply a rolling bellows fitted over a complete piston, and complete top plate which has the inlet port. There is no holes passing through these 2 components that need to be sealed. When these go it is either the bag or clamp at either end.
L322 3.6TDv8 Lux
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Great Post
And it raises the question whether replacement of the O ring seals is a repair option?
I believe it is more likely to be the arrangement between the two plates that allows for rotation. The one I have that failed @ 15 days is definitely leaking there. I will update this IF the supplier doesn’t pick this unit up, I really want to take it apart and document what's in there, BUT I don’t want to dismantle it and have them ask for it.
So far the supplier has not come back to me for its return. The new one arrived and I’ve informed them that Aus post want $189 to send it back. That was month ago now – how long do I need to wait??
The assemblies seem to be lasting about 170-200K before they leak. My experience with rolling bellows is that they last 8 -12 maybe 13 years no mater how many KM, more affected by heat & climate and ironically if they sit for periods of time in the same position they don't last as long (trailer that gets parked for months at a time for eg) - So if you were to replace all the seals you would likely only see a couple years before the bellows split.
Talking about this with a good friend of mine who bought a L322 TD6 new in 2004 (not a member here), he mentioned that he had one fail when his car was about 8 months old - came out to garage one morning and it was all wonky, car was picked by Southport dealer and returned next day with new front drivers strut.
L322 3.6TDv8 Lux
Does anybody know were you can get a resealing kit for them if you needed to, as it would be handy to have one set?.
And is the "shockie" rebuildable/recon-able?
just reviving Harlie's thread. can new seals/o-rings be purchased and shock refurbed?
L322 tdv8 poverty pack - wow
Perentie 110 wagon ARN 49-107 (probably selling) turbo, p/steer, RFSV front axle/trutrack, HF, gullwing windows, double jerrys etc.
Perentie 110 wagon ARN 48-699 another project
Track Trailer ARN 200-117
REMLR # 137
Good write up!
Unfortunately (Or fortunately) i had the latter option of failures where a nice sharp bit of slate rock got flicked up and put an inch long cut in the bag...no seals for this one! I since replaced both and you will be happy to know, with a blown front bag, you can still drive at a comfortable height the 400+kms home!!!!!!!!
but the good news is, I have been meaning to pull the damn thing apart and see how it is constructed and replace with on of these kits to keep as a spare.
NEW Front Right AIR Suspension BAG FOR Range Rover Land Rover L322 2003 2009 | eBay
The bag let go at about 180,000kms im now pushing 220
and hoping the rears hang on a bit longer.
I will also look into looking for options to increase the travel of the bellow and the shocks out of curiosity, but im doubtful due to cost effectiveness.
Ive started looking around and getting prices for front air bags and struts.
I found a place in Brisbane who is a distributor for Arnott air suspension.
Parts - Three Point Classic
Also I had a closer look at my air bags and they are not at all cracked like in the above video. If anything they look quite consistent all round. The rolled area doesn't look much different to the other areas.
L322 tdv8 poverty pack - wow
Perentie 110 wagon ARN 49-107 (probably selling) turbo, p/steer, RFSV front axle/trutrack, HF, gullwing windows, double jerrys etc.
Perentie 110 wagon ARN 48-699 another project
Track Trailer ARN 200-117
REMLR # 137
I sourced mine from Island 4x4 in the uk, about 900 delivered from memory for 2
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