Reply With QuoteWow, so family of 4 (teenagers), full tank & family caravan, you’ve reached your GVM? Maybe that’s why JLR reduced the fuel tank size?
Wizard
SupporterI weighed my TDV6 this afternoon and found that I can't tow my caravan with what I normally carry, which isn't much! It was 2800 (1540 on rear axle) with full tank, my 82kg wife and 200kg of stuff that I normally carry, including a second spare. compressor, tools and recovery gear etc. I also was astounded and have been spending all afternoon looking into what the extra weight is above the weight in the specs of 2160 not including fuel or driver. So much for the extra payload of the TDV6! With me and my wife in the car I have 120kg left for the 260kg TBW from my caravan.
The main extras that weigh a lot that I have found are the panoramic sun roof (could be up to 100kg), side steps (around 50kg), dual battery and radio, probably around 50kg, 275 tyres x 5, say 25kg above standard. I also think the tow bar must not be included in the spec weight, despite them being standard in Australia. Still short of a couple of hundred kg I reckon, so I am going to a different weighbridge to see what happens.
I also have a wheel weight scale, which seems to read at least 10% high. I used that to weigh the rear wheels and with adjustments for the inaccuracy I got a rear axle load of 1541, so perhaps the weighbridge value of 1540 is correct.
It just goes to show that 200 series with much less payload than a RRV and then bull bar, large wheels, suspension lift and drawers etc added must be way over loaded when towing if they don't have a GVM upgrade.
Edit 11/6/20: I just went to a second weighbridge and the weight was 2790, so almost identical to the other weighbridge, unfortunately.
Bob
2010 D4 3.0TDV6 SE, ediff, LLAMS, 5 x GOE wheels, LT285/60R18 BFG K02's, GOE Compressor Guard, LR Tank, Mitch Hitch, ECB Bull Bar, Kaymar Rear Bar, Traxide, Safari Snorkel.
2019 Discovery 5 SD6 SE, 20 inch wheels, 275/55R20 Nitto Grappler G2 tyres
ForumSage
SubscriberWow, so family of 4 (teenagers), full tank & family caravan, you’ve reached your GVM? Maybe that’s why JLR reduced the fuel tank size?
L322 tdv8 poverty pack - wow
Perentie 110 wagon ARN 49-107 (probably selling) turbo, p/steer, RFSV front axle/trutrack, HF, gullwing windows, double jerrys etc.
Perentie 110 wagon ARN 48-699 another project
Track Trailer ARN 200-117
REMLR # 137
ForumSage
SubscriberThe hybrid tdv6 L405 is interesting. The marketing was pretty slick. You would think the electric motor would take a lot of the inertia effort and wear off the motor, reduce manifold pressure etc.Originally Posted by Lukeis
Thanks Alex, that’s really helpful!
I think a test drive is on the cards when I return to Sydney in September as that will help me decide if it’s the right car for me.
Oddly I’m not really that into the RRS, performance wise they are great but I don’t like the looks, or something I can’t put my finger on, maybe it’s the typical RRS drivers in my area
just to clarify. The L405 has low range right?!
the V8 and V6 decision is a tough one, I would hate to choose the 8 and when I do my big trip to WA next year (currently on a big eastern half trip, albeit stuck in Darwin atm) and find the fuel costs is killing me
there is a great looking hybrid 2015 model for 84k selling online now with only 46,000km, I’m nervous to get such an early release hybrid though
L322 tdv8 poverty pack - wow
Perentie 110 wagon ARN 49-107 (probably selling
Perentie 110 wagon ARN 48-699 another project
Track Trailer ARN 200-117
REMLR # 137
Wizard
SupporterThe 2013 TDV6 only has 89litres anyway and no AdBlue. If I had known how heavy the sun roof is I wouldn't have bought the car that I did, second hand. There is no possible use for it here, other than looking at the sky and the trees if you are in the back seat. Mine is all closed up 90% of the time. Occasionally in winter I open the blind, just because it its there and I may as well use it.
Bob
2010 D4 3.0TDV6 SE, ediff, LLAMS, 5 x GOE wheels, LT285/60R18 BFG K02's, GOE Compressor Guard, LR Tank, Mitch Hitch, ECB Bull Bar, Kaymar Rear Bar, Traxide, Safari Snorkel.
2019 Discovery 5 SD6 SE, 20 inch wheels, 275/55R20 Nitto Grappler G2 tyres
Wizard
SupporterWhy would the fuel cost kill you? The TDV6 and TDV8 are very similar and it looks like the TDV8 uses less fuel when towing than the TDV6. My TDV6 uses significantly less fuel than my SDV6 6 speed D4 and the V8 will also be way less than the D4.
Bob
2010 D4 3.0TDV6 SE, ediff, LLAMS, 5 x GOE wheels, LT285/60R18 BFG K02's, GOE Compressor Guard, LR Tank, Mitch Hitch, ECB Bull Bar, Kaymar Rear Bar, Traxide, Safari Snorkel.
2019 Discovery 5 SD6 SE, 20 inch wheels, 275/55R20 Nitto Grappler G2 tyres
Master
Supporter
It’s probably just a lifelong belief that a V8 is thirsty and I’ve never challenged it.
Im on the road now and I do hear some horrible figures from some of the V8 200 series drivers and just assumed that’s a V8 over a Toyota issue - very happy to be wrong.
Regardless, as I said in the OP I’m more focused on reliability and subsequent service costs than the fuel savings anyway
interesting to hear about those weights, I’ll take my D4 to the weighbridge this afternoon if I get a chance
Wizard
SupporterAre you towing?
Bob
2010 D4 3.0TDV6 SE, ediff, LLAMS, 5 x GOE wheels, LT285/60R18 BFG K02's, GOE Compressor Guard, LR Tank, Mitch Hitch, ECB Bull Bar, Kaymar Rear Bar, Traxide, Safari Snorkel.
2019 Discovery 5 SD6 SE, 20 inch wheels, 275/55R20 Nitto Grappler G2 tyres
Fossicker
Understand completely on the RRS. I felt the same until I drove one - try not to hold the stereotype of RRS drivers against the car itself. Really is a lovely thing and it's a nice size too.Thanks Alex, that’s really helpful!
I think a test drive is on the cards when I return to Sydney in September as that will help me decide if it’s the right car for me.
Oddly I’m not really that into the RRS, performance wise they are great but I don’t like the looks, or something I can’t put my finger on, maybe it’s the typical RRS drivers in my area
just to clarify. The L405 has low range right?!
the V8 and V6 decision is a tough one, I would hate to choose the 8 and when I do my big trip to WA next year (currently on a big eastern half trip, albeit stuck in Darwin atm) and find the fuel costs is killing me
there is a great looking hybrid 2015 model for 84k selling online now with only 46,000km, I’m nervous to get such an early release hybrid though
In terms of niceness it goes (not surprisingly) FFRR >> RRS > Disco. Capable too.
Taking A Range Rover Sport Off The Blacktop. Is It Really An Option?
Swaggie
Having one of my Llams kits fitted might have been useful!
MY21.5 L405 D350 Vogue SE with 19s. Produce LLAMS for LR/RR, Jeep GC/Dodge Ram
VK2HFG and APRS W1 digi, RTK base station using LoRa
Master
Supporteryep, towing a 22.6ft van - havent weighed it yet, for the same logic as I don’t check my bank balance after a weekend out on the town but should be between 3.2 and 3.5t
regarding RRS, they seem a bit too small. Also I do a lot of beach driving for surfing, I feel like with my setup I’m likely to get help from anyone in the D4 and they might even think I know what I’m doing, perhaps the same can’t be said in the RR?!
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