The new flagship

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

There'd be no difference in ability between the 4th gen car and the 5th gen.

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At a guess i recon there would have been improvements in off road ability,and in other areas over the years of the L405.

As there was in D4, traction control and TR were improved quite considerably over the model run.

Same as Puma Defender,again,TC was greatly improved in the later years of the model run.

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Originally Posted by Saitch

A fair question, Trout, but you could pose that same question to 99% of 4x4 manufacturers.

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Agreed But it usually only involves changing the tyres over and not having to replace the wheels as well.
Even the old D2's came with the choice of 18 or 16 inch wheels So I can't see why JLR can't offer the same sort of wheel options on it's newer offerings.

what is it with low profile tyres?

they do nothing to enhance the driving experience.

F1 , Indy , Rally Cars , Drag Racers , I could go on...even go karts....all use high aspect ratio tyres.

I will never use low profile tyres.

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Originally Posted by ramblingboy42

what is it with low profile tyres?

they do nothing to enhance the driving experience.

F1 , Indy , Rally Cars , Drag Racers , I could go on...even go karts....all use high aspect ratio tyres.

I will never use low profile tyres.

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They are about as useful as tits on a bull But the posers love em.

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Originally Posted by ramblingboy42

what is it with low profile tyres?

they do nothing to enhance the driving experience.

F1 , Indy , Rally Cars , Drag Racers , I could go on...even go karts....all use high aspect ratio tyres.

I will never use low profile tyres.

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Originally Posted by trout1105

They are about as useful as tits on a bull But the posers love em.

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You seem to be confusing low profile as in keeping a low profile (going unnoticed) with low aspect ratio tyres for posers. Although low profile make a big difference if you like high cornering speeds. Generally speaking wider tyres are the easiest, cheapest performance modification for any vehicle mechanically.

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Originally Posted by Vern

L405, L460, do you think there will be that great a difference? I think Arapiles was referring to modern range rovers in general.

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I think they have improved the new Rangie's off road ability, as it now has active rear steering at low speeds by up to 7 degrees IIRC. Which helps decrease the turning circle in tight, tricky stuff.

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Originally Posted by RANDLOVER

I think they have improved the new Rangie's off road ability, as it now has active rear steering at low speeds by up to 7 degrees IIRC. Which helps decrease the turning circle in tight, tricky stuff.

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They could have just used Turn Assist that another brand has been using for decades.[bighmmm]

The RR system is probably better in some ways,but will be 100% more complicated,and something else to fail.
And i wonder how many customers would actually use it?

More tech for techs sake?

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Originally Posted by Vern;[URL="tel:3117135"

3117135[/URL]]Hmm, thats more than a y62, y61, 79 series, 100 series, 200 series, old defender, rrc, etc....[emoji849]

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My Defender has more than 30cm clearance stock on 235/85R16s. I just measured it.

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Originally Posted by Arapiles;[URL="tel:3117145"

3117145[/URL]]Actually, Drive ran a standard Range Rover, the Y62, an LC 200 and a Merc GLS across the Simpson Desert a couple of years ago: in their view the Range Rover was clearly the best vehicle, in terms of comfort, ability and fuel economy. The only issue was that it blew a shock absorber at the end - but then so did all of the Merc G Pros that went down the Canning Stock Route around that time.

https://www.drive.com.au/news/outbac...0130815-2s03i/

https://www.drive.com.au/reviews/ran...0130815-2s0i5/

19 or 20 inch tyres may not be ideal in terms of side wall when you want to drop the tyre pressures but the overall diameter is the same whether you're running 17, 18, 19 or 20 inch wheels (presuming that you don't try and increase that diameter, but then you run up against clearance issues under the bodywork). Given that the Range Rover has EAS I wouldn't've thought that the comfort would be much affected by the tyre profiles.

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All four of those are luxury SUVs, not long term bush vehicles. The Tojo would come closest, but even 200’s and now 300’s are built primarily for urban duties. Arguably that’s always been Range Rover’s market/purpose, which has now become Land Rovers sole market.

Id choose the Tojo 200 over a Range Rover for long term bush reliability any day

But I’d choose a real (pre 2016) Defender before any of them.

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Originally Posted by SpudHeadTed

My Defender has more than 30cm clearance stock on 235/85R16s. I just measured it.

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Under the diff pumpkin?? Stats say 215mm.