The new flagship

**Vern** · 30th October 2021, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by SpudHeadTed

Correction: Conservative outmoded elitist wannabe hipsters and gangstas. 30cm ground clearance perfect for the country estate. …Oh hang on, that’s also the target market for new Defender, Discovery, Velar.

Hmm, thats more than a y62, y61, 79 series, 100 series, 200 series, old defender, rrc, etc....

**Saitch** · 30th October 2021, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by trout1105

So why the **** doesn't JLR sell them fitted with a decent set of off road wheels/tyres so that the buyers can experience the full potential of this RR?

A fair question, Trout, but you could pose that same question to 99% of 4x4 manufacturers.

**Vern** · 30th October 2021, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by trout1105

I am NOT saying the vehicle itself is useless at all.
What I am saying is that fitted with those stock low profile tyres regardless of the vehicles off road capability it just won't cut the mustard.
Can you imagine driving down a heavily corrugated road with those tyres, Not only would it rattle the car to death the occupants would also need chiropractic help.

I have absolutely NO doubt that this could be an amazing off reader So why the **** doesn't JLR sell them fitted with a decent set of off road wheels/tyres so that the buyers can experience the full potential of this RR?

Sorry, i originally replied to your comment saying it wouldn't survive half an hour on the gibb river rd, or ANY track that requires some clearance or traction. This thing pretty much has more ground clearance than any other 4wd on the market, so if it can't do it, none of the others can either.

**Arapiles** · 30th October 2021, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by trout1105

I am NOT saying the vehicle itself is useless at all.
What I am saying is that fitted with those stock low profile tyres regardless of the vehicles off road capability it just won't cut the mustard.
Can you imagine driving down a heavily corrugated road with those tyres, Not only would it rattle the car to death the occupants would also need chiropractic help.

I have absolutely NO doubt that this could be an amazing off reader So why the **** doesn't JLR sell them fitted with a decent set of off road wheels/tyres so that the buyers can experience the full potential of this RR?

Actually, Drive ran a standard Range Rover, the Y62, an LC 200 and a Merc GLS across the Simpson Desert a couple of years ago: in their view the Range Rover was clearly the best vehicle, in terms of comfort, ability and fuel economy. The only issue was that it blew a shock absorber at the end - but then so did all of the Merc G Pros that went down the Canning Stock Route around that time.

https://www.drive.com.au/news/outbac...0130815-2s03i/

https://www.drive.com.au/reviews/ran...0130815-2s0i5/

19 or 20 inch tyres may not be ideal in terms of side wall when you want to drop the tyre pressures but the overall diameter is the same whether you're running 17, 18, 19 or 20 inch wheels (presuming that you don't try and increase that diameter, but then you run up against clearance issues under the bodywork). Given that the Range Rover has EAS I wouldn't've thought that the comfort would be much affected by the tyre profiles.

**Arapiles** · 30th October 2021, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by Vern

Sorry, i originally replied to your comment saying it wouldn't survive half an hour on the gibb river rd, or ANY track that requires some clearance or traction. This thing pretty much has more ground clearance than any other 4wd on the market, so if it can't do it, none of the others can either.

True - I was watching a CarAdvice video where they took a Y62 up some rough tracks in the Alps and it bottomed out on a rock step - there's no doubt in my mind that my soccer-Mum D4 would've cleared that step once I'd put the suspension to full height. I said that in the comments section and quite a few people conceded that would've been the case.

**Arapiles** · 30th October 2021, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by scarry

They have changed the "purpose".

Its not an off road go anywhere touring wagon anymore,as the Classic was.

Would a modern RR do a Camel Trophy run like the old one?

No hope at all.Actually i doubt any late model LR vehicle could do it.

The late model RR's,are around town luxo barges for those that can afford and want one.

My opinion is, good luck to the owners,let people buy what they want.I recon the rear looks horrid as well,but obviously many others dont

Seems to have done pretty well in the Simpson for a "luxo barge":

https://www.drive.com.au/reviews/ran...0130815-2s0i5/

**Disco-tastic** · 30th October 2021, 06:51 PM

Hmmmm. This thread is giving me deja vu...

**scarry** · 30th October 2021, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by Arapiles

Seems to have done pretty well in the Simpson for a "luxo barge":

https://www.drive.com.au/reviews/ran...0130815-2s0i5/

Did you actually read the article?

Its a 2013 article,i thought we were talking about the latest model?

And i quote from the article,

"But the small fuel tank and niggling issue we experienced mean it’s not as well suited as some for those looking to do the big trip in seriously isolated areas"

I rest my case.......

I presume the latest model would be no different.

Niggling issues are still the norm,as would be a smallish fuel tank no doubt.

Sure the vehicle will be very capable,we all know that.Short trip up a rocky slope,along the beach,through some soft sand,through a muddy track,no issues.

But as a touring vehicle,getting hammered on corrugations,through water crossings with water over the bonnet,it wont cut it,even with a good set of off road high load rated tyres,if they are available in the size needed.

**Vern** · 30th October 2021, 07:22 PM

L405, L460, do you think there will be that great a difference? I think Arapiles was referring to modern range rovers in general.

**Arapiles** · 30th October 2021, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by scarry

Did you actually read the article?

Its a 2013 article,i thought we were talking about the latest model?

Yes, I read the article - funny that, since I knew what it said and moreover recalled it from when I read it years ago. And I note that it's a review of the L405, which is the current Range Rover given that the new one isn't on the streets yet.

There'd be no difference in ability between the 4th gen car and the 5th gen, and like the new one people have said ad nauseam that the current one was just a Toorak tractor - they're not, they're very capable vehicles. It's a different question as to whether the owners want to thrash them offroad, but if you do it will be in comfort.

Originally Posted by scarry

But as a touring vehicle,getting hammered on corrugations,through water crossings with water over the bonnet,it wont cut it,even with a good set of off road high load rated tyres,if they are available in the size needed.

Did you read the article? Did you note the bit about 900mm wading? Did you see the photos of them taking it through water? Also, how do you think that they would have got to the Simpson without driving on corrugated roads? Did you note the bit about how comfortable it was on the chopped up tracks in the Simpson?

Out of curiosity what vehicle does meet your standards as a touring vehicle?

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