Thread: Discovery 5 - back to more basic roots - new section might be needed

Can someone please tell me what is not so capable about the present D3/4's?

These vehicles run circles around the opposition both on and off road and most years get voted as the best 4x4 in nearly every country around the world. Yet here I'm reading comments about how LR need to get back to building a real Discovery, what a load of absolute bollocks.

If needing to give the new D5 a two inch body lift and then cut your mud guards and doors to fit decent size tyres is getting back to a more capable Disco, like you have to with a D1, then sorry people but in my opinion your playing with yourselves.

Can someone please point out a more capable vehicle than the present class of Discovery's? A Disco is designed as a all rounder vehicle, if you want a more hard core 4b buy a Defender, if you want a soft roader that is super comfortable buy a Merc ML. but neither the Merc or the Fender will be able to do all the things well that a D3/4 can.


Cheers,
Terry

Originally Posted by Pedro_The_Swift

doesnt make any sense,,
why kill the golden goose?
and it tows better than the toyota now.
they want to produce MORE models, not less.

maybe "this" new D5 is in reality the new defender-----

Pedro, I think Landrovers idea is to build a vehicle that is more versitile in that you can have live axles with basic trim at an affordable price......or get a luxury fully independant suspension model at a premium price.
I am told that you will be able to mix & match engine / luxury level combinations.
Makes sense to me.

Cheers, Craig

Considering the Disco5 might share some platform architecture with the new Defender, I propose the D5 goes into the Defender section.

Hey, the RRS is in the Disco section!

Originally Posted by Slunnie

Considering the Disco5 might share some platform architecture with the new Defender, I propose the D5 goes into the Defender section.

Hey, the RRS is in the Disco section!

Or the Defender Section gets merged with the D3/D4/D5/RRS Section

George

Originally Posted by TerryO

Can someone please tell me what is not so capable about the present D3/4's?

These vehicles run circles around the opposition both on and off road and most years get voted as the best 4x4 in nearly every country around the world. Yet here I'm reading comments about how LR need to get back to building a real Discovery, what a load of absolute bollocks.

If needing to give the new D5 a two inch body lift and then cut your mud guards and doors to fit decent size tyres is getting back to a more capable Disco, like you have to with a D1, then sorry people but in my opinion your playing with yourselves.

Can someone please point out a more capable vehicle than the present class of Discovery's? A Disco is designed as a all rounder vehicle, if you want a more hard core 4b buy a Defender, if you want a soft roader that is super comfortable buy a Merc ML. but neither the Merc or the Fender will be able to do all the things well that a D3/4 can.


Cheers,
Terry

Sorry if a real 4wd comment offended Terry. Most or many of our D3s are some D4s are cleary some of the best 4wd and best tow cars. The D4s with 20inch rims are not fully capable 4wds in my opinion Even the 18inch are just a little handicaped.

I would be driving a D4 but choose a second hand D3 as I felt a D4 was handicapped by the rims. My thoughts only. Clearly some D4s are going to places requiring our discos outstanding 4WD capablity.

I would have brought a new D3 with lockers but was just a bit to slow and was only able to get to a new D4. I am not buying a new car to cut it up to fit larger rims. I am looking forward to looking at the new Defer and Disco as my D3 gets very dirty and lives a hard life. Still expect to keep it going well past 500,000km so any thought I am knocking D3s or D4s enginering is off target. The daily drive cabality of our D3 and D4 is hard to pass up. I want everything in the one car.

Surely we can all think of a few things a D5 could have to make it just a bit better? The debates on our current beasts is well covered elsewhere.

Originally Posted by weakestlink

Sorry if a real 4wd comment offended Terry. Most or many of our D3s are some D4s are cleary some of the best 4wd and best tow cars. The D4s with 20inch rims are not fully capable 4wds in my opinion Even the 18inch are just a little handicaped.

I would be driving a D4 but choose a second hand D3 as I felt a D4 was handicapped by the rims. My thoughts only. Clearly some D4s are going to places requiring our discos outstanding 4WD capablity.

I would have brought a new D3 with lockers but was just a bit to slow and was only able to get to a new D4. I am not buying a new car to cut it up to fit larger rims. I am looking forward to looking at the new Defer and Disco as my D3 gets very dirty and lives a hard life. Still expect to keep it going well past 500,000km so any thought I am knocking D3s or D4s enginering is off target. The daily drive cabality of our D3 and D4 is hard to pass up. I want everything in the one car.

Surely we can all think of a few things a D5 could have to make it just a bit better? The debates on our current beasts is well covered elsewhere.

God, the old 'rims' chestnut again....

I think there are some D4s running around in 18" and 19" shoes that are boldly going where 90% of others of LR and Japanese build fear to tread....

Dunno about the 20s thou....

I think there are some in this forum that would dispute a standard Deefer up against a standard D4 with decent tyres as a close run thing offroad......towing, no contest...on road.....ballparks away!

IMO the only thing that the Disco lacks is the variety of body, engine, Lux, etc options...as stated earlier by Disco4SE....that's what it really needs, to capture a wider market...although, TATA (LR) aren't exactly dragging their bum when it comes to sales....

Obvious compliant...too heavy, shiney and expensive.....yup, I'd agree. However, the laws of physics dictate that if you want all that stuff, want to be strong and meet safety regs...well, you're gonna be rotund. Lighter, stronger materials will only make it more expensive. Deefer is slipping away in the compliance and safety area and argueing the need, etc is useless...it's the new world and it's the law.

It's been done to death that dropping a lot of the Lux stuff will reduce weight and expense but not proportionally. You'll still have an expensive and heavy'ish car.

You might think that denting a $100K+ D4 is worse than denting a $50K+ Deefer...why? Still expensive and still painful to the owners. If you don't want that pain, buy an older model....it's that simple.

Sorry, where were we....

Cheers,

Kev

Originally Posted by weakestlink

Sorry if a real 4wd comment offended Terry. Most or many of our D3s are some D4s are cleary some of the best 4wd and best tow cars. The D4s with 20inch rims are not fully capable 4wds in my opinion Even the 18inch are just a little handicaped.

Could you then please explain what is the vehicle out there that you believe is a real 4wd if a D3/4 isn't?

I also own a D2 that came standard with 18" rims in 2003, back then there was bugger all if any serious off road tyres made for 18" rims so why not also add D2's to your list of not real 4wd's along with D3/4's?

If you do though then your fast running out of any series Disco ever having been a real 4wd.

Its a mistake to measure the worth of any vehicle based on what size rims it comes with or even tyres, some D4's do come standard with 20's but so what if your buying new then just order it with the smallest diameter rims available, mightn't do much for resale but you got your smaller rims, at the same time you better ask them to get non oem fitment tyres because no modern 4wd I know of comes with decent off road rubber standard.

Just about every 4wd that is used seriously off road ends up modified and even those with 16" rims often ended up with different aftermarket rims on them so what does it matter whether a D3/4 comes with 20" rims or not? It doesn't make them any the less of a 4wd, it just means the standard bling street wheels need to be changed if your going to do serious off road work.

Personally I believe a D3 or 4 is a excellent 4wd and I would rather own one with 20" rims than something like a new FJ Toyo with 16" rims.


cheers,
Terry

Agree Terry. BUT if we could have a d4 2.7 with smaller rims and plenty of profile then even better.

Cheers