Disappointed in the D5 / waiting for the Defender

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Originally Posted by PAT303

There must be one of the many Land Rover owners who have never been offroad,because none of my vehicles have ever been fitted with sill protection,heavy duty front and rear bars,front and rear diff locks or any of the other macho bush tucker man wannabee crap. Pat

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My last 4 Discos as well,cargo barrier,bull bar,dual battery,good set of LT tyres,been all over the country side,never had an issue.

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Originally Posted by rammypluge

Whenever i get in an old car with leather its stuffed whereas whenever i get in an old car with cloth its going okay. Wandered through a fair few wreckers too. Oh well, each has their experiences.

I have been told by people in the trade that leather doesnt last. I have also been told by people in the trade that if your cloth seats are dirty, take them out and spray them with a hose. Let dry and put back in.

I reckon a stanley knife would go straight through most leather whereas cloth could take a few goes.

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Leather needs to be looked after,with leather conditioner and cleaner regularly.

Most leather seats in vehicles don't get looked after.

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Originally Posted by Grentarc

To option a SD4 Discovery S with EAS, 2 speed transfer case and E-diff costs about $4000 - where's the $20k coming from?
The S TD4 is $65k starting, the SD4 is $70k - so only $9k total over the most basic.

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+$20K is for SE. Yeah Ok, If you can get low range and e diff for $4000 on an S, that's not too bad. + Replace wheels + tyres $3,500K+ rubber mats $500? $73,000 ish. Hmm ...still = wait for Defender if you wanted a new bush tourer I reckon.

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Originally Posted by rammypluge

Info i have gleaned on suspension travel over time:
RR Classic front 10" rear 12" . . . excluding articulation which takes it up at least 2" front and rear
L322 front 12" rear 14"
Disco 3/4 front 9" rear 13"
Current RRFF front 10" rear 10"

If the D5 has 500mm (20"), that would be the total, for front and back, being the same architecture as the RRFF. 500mm is not exciting. Not terrible, but not competitive with many prior LR's. So 2" less than its predecessor the D3/4.

Are you comparing the off road height of the D5 to the off road height of the D3/4? Too much height has the disadvantage of limited droop travel, how much of that is there in each case?

Earlier today i saw a pic of a D4 with 275 70 18. I dont know about its suspension height or scrubbing.

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The D4 9" = 230mm 13" = 330mm - so the D5's 500mm front AND rear (Same as L405 actually.. each, not total) is much more than that.
The off road ground clearance of the D4 (not in extended mode) is about 240mm - D5 is 283mm.
Plenty of down travel available at that height on the D5s suspension

I have seen a D3 with 35" tyres too, but can't run at standard height, or without spacers, and if you get a fault and drops to bump stops, you aren't going anywhere... Also, the D5 has an option to NOT drop when it detects a fault.

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Originally Posted by scarry

My last 4 Discos as well,cargo barrier,bull bar,dual battery,good set of LT tyres,been all over the country side,never had an issue.

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Thats what i said, heavy duty front bar, tyres suitable for offroading. If you dont seek the more serious offroading or turn around when it gets tough, you dont need sill protection, a rear bar, diff locks, or a higher air intake in a Disco. Once people get diff locks they dont want to ever go back, its always the people that havent had them that argue against them.

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Originally Posted by rammypluge

Current RRFF front 10" rear 10"

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I think you have the L494 RRS and the L405 FFRR confused here

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Originally Posted by Grentarc

The D4 9" = 230mm 13" = 330mm - so the D5's 500mm front AND rear (Same as L405 actually.. each, not total) is much more than that.
The off road ground clearance of the D4 (not in extended mode) is about 240mm - D5 is 283mm.
Plenty of down travel available at that height on the D5s suspension

I have seen a D3 with 35" tyres too, but can't run at standard height, or without spacers, and if you get a fault and drops to bump stops, you aren't going anywhere... Also, the D5 has an option to NOT drop when it detects a fault.

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I really, really think you are wrong about the 500mm being for each end. What can you quote?
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...017/09/303.jpghttps://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...017/09/304.jpg

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Originally Posted by Grentarc

I think you have the L494 RRS and the L405 FFRR confused here

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Info i have read says both same. Can you quote otherwise?

Until proven otherwise, the replacement for the defender and the base model disco has already arrived, in the form of the Amarok.https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...017/09/305.jpg

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Originally Posted by rammypluge

Until proven otherwise, the replacement for the defender and the base model disco has already arrived, in the form of the Amarok.

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...and with the V6 range being expanded to 5 models from poverty pack to high(er) performance.

Volkswagen Amarok Aventura Exclusive: 190kW ute concept revealed for Frankfurt


One of these will replace my D4 in the coming months unless the 2018 Touareg is affordable.