Disappointed in the D5 / waiting for the Defender

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Originally Posted by ozscott

What made yours better off-road than a well set up Deefer especially given the Rocs independent front end (and no air bags cross linked to have a stab at simulating live axle)... from memory yours had a lot of work. Did the Deefer with 33s have a lot of work? Did he know how to drive? Did you have a locker?

Cheers

Cheers

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Mine beat the perentie because he didnt have diff locks wheareas my Rok has a rear std and front traction control, plus he had exactly half the power and around 2/3 the torque. We both had 33" tyres. He had new mud terrains and i had AT but he still struggled for traction on a steep wet dirt and rock hill that i walked up.

Beat the new defer cos of 285 33" vs 235 32" and i have a rear locker. My front diff doesnt hang as low and my rear diff may also be a bit more compact. My wider track as std can mean i dont sit as low in ruts and possibly get a tad of sidewall traction.

My car flexes better than the perentie and probably better than the new defer as well but not sure.

People tell me i know how to drive but i try to factor for that, and my car is comparatively easy to drive once you know which buttons to push and when.

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Originally Posted by 1nando

Personally for me i love live axles. Ive owned all types of 4wds of different makes and nothing comes close to a live axle vehicle in the bush. Now im not in any way trying to imply or state that an IFS vehicle is not competent or capable, i just love the ruggedness and peace of mind live axles offer. In saying that i owned a 2006 str navara that had a 3 inch lift and a lot of $$$$ spent on it, it was extremely capable. Mod for mod my defender surpasses it with much less driver input needed simply through having live axles.
The only standard vehicle that is superior to what my standard defender was before i started modifying it is probably the rubicon as its built for extreme 4wding, problem is it had a payload of a Prius.....

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When we go in mud the guys with live axles diff out sooner. In sand they are similar. In rocks they are different but similar.

Having been off-road with the best independent set up (ie d3 and d4 where the air suspension presses down on the wheel opposite the one going up in an attempt to simulate live axle) you are not convincing me. The stability and trip afforded by a fulcrum is second go none irrespective of diffs hitting the ground at some point.

Cheers

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Originally Posted by ozscott

Having been off-road with the best independent set up (ie d3 and d4 where the air suspension presses down on the wheel opposite the one going up in an attempt to simulate live axle) you are not convincing me. The stability and trip afforded by a fulcrum is second go none irrespective of diffs hitting the ground at some point.

Cheers

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The patrol actually had the front swaybar disconnected, although its 2.5" raised h/d coils obviously resisted flex more than std coils would.https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...2017/10/68.jpghttps://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...2017/10/69.jpg

Nice Rok!

Rammy you did great things with that IFS. Nice set up. But that wheel is just hanging there. The GQ'S wheel on the same side is being forced into the ground providing both traction and stability courtesy of the live axle.. The photo illustrates it nicely. Cheers

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Originally Posted by ozscott

Rammy you did great things with that IFS. Nice set up. But that wheel is just hanging there. The GQ'S wheel on the same side is being forced into the ground providing both traction and stability courtesy of the live axle.. The photo illustrates it nicely. Cheers

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Not to mention that even a portly gentleman could get his body full length under the GQ in that position, perchance to change the oil or take a nap. Not so the Rok... its clear which vehicle will belly out first.

These vehicles have been almost everywhere together, and the Rok is always more capable. Yes, the Roks sills are low, but the chassis is high, it almost never has ramp over issues.

My Rok went straight up, the Perentie never made it.

Amarok Club of South Australia, steep bank - YouTube

Hey nice! Is that a hardtop Perentie (pretty rare) or the TD5 interim version the Army ordered?