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    Hi, my wife has a 2013 evoque diesel and fails to start. Initially the battery was drained (don't know why). I charged it back up with the battery in the car and it would not go. I took the leads off and gave them a check and replaced them, the car then started up. Weird, right? Just before this, also the dash finally gave her an "immobiliser fault" message. Anyway, she had to leave the car out to the side of the garage for a bit and after a couple of hours it did not start, and it hasn't started since. The battery is not even 1 year old and is of good quality.
    Now, it did give a couple of clicks earlier and no start, later, it then gave out a few sparks from the negative terminal, since then, nothing, but every thing else goes. I checked the positive fuse and it looks good. Might have to chuck the cheap code reader on tomorrow and see what gives. Any suggestions? Thanks

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    First thing to check are the "lockouts": Ensure car is in Neutral, or in an auto in Park, handbrake firmly on, and not sure about this, but doors all securely shut.
    Then see if a wiggle of those functions changes anything.

    Next check for loose connectors on the engine, or even corroded connectors, and oxidation of same.
    After that you would need to think about diagnostics, so call a patrol service. Always wise to have one available" Motoring club, insurance off shoot, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rovers4 View Post
    First thing to check are the "lockouts": Ensure car is in Neutral, or in an auto in Park, handbrake firmly on, and not sure about this, but doors all securely shut.
    Then see if a wiggle of those functions changes anything.

    Next check for loose connectors on the engine, or even corroded connectors, and oxidation of same.
    After that you would need to think about diagnostics, so call a patrol service. Always wise to have one available" Motoring club, insurance off shoot, etc.
    Yeah thanks, checking loose connectors with a bit more detail now...here's what I've found so far...

    Ok, I ran a car scanning app to diagnose what's going on. The most relevant error codes were P0683 and P0A1A. I believe the P0683 code is most relevant as it relates to the car not starting. This is what AI came up with....there is a communication problem between the glow plug control module and the powertrain control module (PCM) in a diesel engine. This can be caused by a faulty glow plug control module, wiring issues (shorts, open circuits, corrosion), a bad PCM, or problems with the glow plugs themselves. Symptoms include a "check engine" light, engine starting troubles, and performance issues.

    Well, we don't have the "check engine light" appearing but we do have engine starting troubles

    Does any of this sound familiar to you guys and have you heard of most likely fixes? I'll check out some Youtube videos and see what gives

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    Does the starter turn over the engine or is there nothing, not even clicking from the starter motor solenoid?
    If nothng at all then check the voltage on the battery leads at the battery (not the battery posts) while attempting to start to confirm that power and earth are getting to the leads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Graeme View Post
    Does the starter turn over the engine or is there nothing, not even clicking from the starter motor solenoid?
    If nothng at all then check the voltage on the battery leads at the battery (not the battery posts) while attempting to start to confirm that power and earth are getting to the leads.
    Most of the time there is no clicking and if there is it it only occurs once. I'll give the battery leads a try. Thanks Graeme. I'll also have to check these settings because I didn't get a notification via email

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    I've been searching for the glow plug control module. I've had a look online and although it shows a diagram from a distance, I'm still unable to pinpoint the thing. I've also seen a youtube video of a guy replacing one but the car looks like another model or maybe not even a range rover, not only that but I'm confused as to where the thing is anyway as he takes it out. I'd be grateful if anyone could give me some sort of reference as to where its located. Thanks

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    Ok, tested the lead voltage when attempting to start and it read from around 12.1-12.2V. Don't know if the reading supposed to be much higher or not

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    As the voltage is still above 12V indicating that not much current is being drawn and that you have heard a click, I would be checking the starter cable and fuse and the connection at the starter motor and also the earth connection between the body and the engine.

    Unless the glow-plug icon is constantly showing in the instrument cluster, a non-functioning glow-plug module is not likely to be preventing the starter motor from being operated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Graeme View Post
    As the voltage is still above 12V indicating that not much current is being drawn and that you have heard a click, I would be checking the starter cable and fuse and the connection at the starter motor and also the earth connection between the body and the engine.

    Unless the glow-plug icon is constantly showing in the instrument cluster, a non-functioning glow-plug module is not likely to be preventing the starter motor from being operated.
    Thanks Graeme, I managed to get it going just after I shifted the gear knob as much as I could with my finger towards the left which is park (Yes, it was already in park, as you know, they always are supposed to be) and then I rushed excitedly to tell my wife, she then drove it in the garage and turned it off. We thought that was it but no, it wasn't, not long after this I attempted to turn it on and after a couple of clicks, nothing! Farrrr out! The battery showed 12.59 so the battery hadn't drained. I was hoping that's all it was.

    Anyway, I'm inclined as you are to think it is either the starter motor or the connections to it. Keep you posted. Oh, I'm going to give the starter motor a tap but I might have to approach that from the bottom and take the pans off. I still don't know what is going on with these notification settings as I still didn't get yours

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    If the gearbox has a shift selector cable then it might be out of adjustment. Alternatively the shift lock-out switch might be faulty.
    If you have a suitable diagnostic tool then you could monitor the state of the lock-out switch.
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