Thread: New 2018 Defender to share D5's Aluminium monocoque body.

I wonder if they were not able to make the structure of the vehicle crush in the required way to absorb the impact forces and protect the occupants.

Originally Posted by Avion8

Toyota's latest MY2017 70 Series pick up now has airbags & with other modifications achieved a 5 star ANCAP, but it is only the pick up, the troopie & wagon for some reason did not achieve the 5 star rating. I'm sure Land Rover could have done similar with the Defender! They will have lost a lot of business in the 2 year gap until the new Defender is available.

Gotta disagree with you on that one.
Ya gotta remember that Defender was only achieving 15,000 sales P.A., sometimes less, before the last "rush". To continue, Defender had to have airbags,..VERY costly, maybe impossible to engineer within Defenders frame, & even if JLR did that, how would that increase sales,...in addition, engines had to go to Euro 6, and even if they did that, it would not change Defender, it would not increase the "appeal"/ marketability of Defender, which had had its day, except for,......Defender "Tragics" like us, and "We" are not the market.
There are a whole range of aspects of why, what we like, has been passed by, by the market, which was simply, not interested in buying Defender in it's present configuration.
IMHO of course, Pickles.

Toyota have just achieved their Ancap 5 rating on all their 70 series "tojos".

Land Rover will never capture the Australian market that Toyota will now be able to tap into.....specifically mining.

Originally Posted by LandyAndy

Its a Nissan Navara tarted up.
The 5 link rear coil suspension is already available on the upper end Navaras.I wonder if they have rear discs??? All the japer dual cabs run rear drums for some stupid idea.
You should try and stop a Holden Colarado with a full 400lt diesel tank on the back on a gravel or muddy road.The ABS is abysmal,they run seperate channels for the front discs and 1 channel for the rear drums,the fronts do all the work,ABS cuts in with little pedal effort,BLOODY DANGEROUS!!!!
Andrew

Originally Posted by JDNSW

Rear drums have persisted mainly because they make it a lot easier to fit a handbrake, a problem that is solved differently with the Defender.

Although interestingly, the first family car to have discs (1955 Citroen) had drum rear brakes - and the handbrake operated on the inboard front discs! (Discs were very new at the time, and drums were considered adequate at the rear considering how little weight was on the rear wheels - front wheel drive and the rear wheels almost touch the bumper.)

John

I was under the impression that better braking was available from drums which is why the trucks still use them.

Originally Posted by Graeme

You people obviously haven't read that the new Disco has reinforced steel sub-frames.

Land Rover really love electrolysis between dissimilar metals...

Originally Posted by Slunnie

I was under the impression that better braking was available from drums which is why the trucks still use them.

The short answer is no. Discs give better braking but drums are usually cheaper and easier to integrate with park/emergency braking systems as it takes less effort to actuate them.

A longer answer is here:
Brake Trends: Drums vs. Discs - Article - TruckingInfo.com

The other factor is that the available diameter for brakes is more limited (compared to the mass being braked) on trucks, but with drums you can increase drum and lining area by making it wider - and all the increase has the same leverage.

John

Originally Posted by ramblingboy42

Toyota have just achieved their Ancap 5 rating on all their 70 series "tojos".

Land Rover will never capture the Australian market that Toyota will now be able to tap into.....specifically mining.

Only the tray back is 5 star,the rest of the 70 series model range is not.