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26th February 2019, 02:57 PM
Homestar

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Originally Posted by Zeros

Totally agree - Defender needs to be a HD EV green work vehicle to capture China etc.

Australia needs to play rapid catch up in terms of the fast approaching EV future and networks.

Velar should have been 100% EV and lead vehicle for JLR post 2020.

Yeah, can't wait to see all the quick chargers every 200KM across the Nullarbor... [biggrin]

Not trying to be a smart arse, but the infrastructure is the hard bit in a Country so large with so few people in it. But yes, around our main population areas, we need far more infrastructure to support EV's. Then we just need them to be realistically priced so the masses can actually afford them - that's still some time off yet by the looks of it too, so a bit of a catch 22. Why spend the money on infrastructure to support so few vehicles, and the flip side being why buy and EV when the infrastructure is so crappy. Who pays for this anyway? There are a lot of free EV charging stations, but if they became more popular, I doubt they will be that way for long.
26th February 2019, 03:05 PM
Zeros

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Originally Posted by Homestar

Yeah, can't wait to see all the quick chargers every 200KM across the Nullarbor... [biggrin]

Not trying to be a smart arse, but the infrastructure is the hard bit in a Country so large with so few people in it. But yes, around our main population areas, we need far more infrastructure to support EV's. Then we just need them to be realistically priced so the masses can actually afford them - that's still some time off yet by the looks of it too, so a bit of a catch 22. Why spend the money on infrastructure to support so few vehicles, and the flip side being why buy and EV when the infrastructure is so crappy. Who pays for this anyway? There are a lot of free EV charging stations, but if they became more popular, I doubt they will be that way for long.

I reckon all roadhouses will have EV rapid chargers installed by 2025. It's in their interests.

Given that the majority of revenue generated by roadhouses is not fuel, but actually the sale of coffee and coffee milk! (almost 8 x the price per litre) - the longer the customer stays at the roadhouse (charging their vehicle for free) the better for business. No more 8c off per litre if you buy a chocolate bar. It will be free charge if you buy an iced coffee.

Granted it's on a major highway - but I saw a big bank of rapid EV chargers at a roadhouse on the hume highway - alongside a bank of at least 60 solar panels. ...These will go in everywhere in the next few years.
26th February 2019, 03:09 PM
goingbush

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Originally Posted by Homestar

Yeah, can't wait to see all the quick chargers every 200KM across the Nullarbor... [biggrin]

Not trying to be a smart arse, but the infrastructure is the hard bit in a Country so large with so few people in it. But yes, around our main population areas, we need far more infrastructure to support EV's. Then we just need them to be realistically priced so the masses can actually afford them - that's still some time off yet by the looks of it too, so a bit of a catch 22. Why spend the money on infrastructure to support so few vehicles, and the flip side being why buy and EV when the infrastructure is so crappy. Who pays for this anyway? There are a lot of free EV charging stations, but if they became more popular, I doubt they will be that way for long.

Make that 600km but in the scheme of things its a Moot Point really , With the exception of a hundred or so members on here how many LandRovers are actually used to cross the Nullabor or go outback. 99.5% are used exclusively in Urban environments for 99.5% of the time .

New H tech emerging gives a 5000Km range with 'refillable' batteries , So no need for outback Charging infrastructure & no need for a dense network of Hydrogen fill stations.

"Refillable" battery tech could allow electric cars over 5000km range | RenewEconomy
26th February 2019, 03:14 PM
Zeros

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Originally Posted by goingbush

Make that 600km but in the scheme of things its a Moot Point really , With the exception of a hundred or so members on here how many LandRovers are actually used to cross the Nullabor or go outback. 99.5% are used exclusively in Urban environments for 99.5% of the time .

New H tech emerging gives a 5000Km range with 'refillable' batteries , So no need for outback Charging infrastructure & no need for a dense network of Hydrogen fill stations.

"Refillable" battery tech could allow electric cars over 5000km range | RenewEconomy

Correct re Nullabor - 99.5%.

Yes if the hydrogen price comes down.

But the attraction of EV's moving forward with the development of battery tech, is free solar energy and a coffee milk.

In 2025 Nullabor travellers will tow an EV camper trailer set up with batteries in the base and solar on the top. Vehicle and Camper - Battery Range 1200km +
26th February 2019, 03:26 PM
goingbush

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Originally Posted by Zeros

In 2025 Nullabor travellers will tow an EV camper trailer set up with batteries in the base and solar on the top. Vehicle and Camper - Battery Range 1200km +

That EV Camper can also have a motor to help push it along & effectively become a 6x6 if required.

Bounus is that 99% of time the EV camper is parked up at home, the Camper Batteries become your houses "powerwall" . Efficiencey gains no matter how you look at it .

Im thinking of having a Cara-Boat built with 2 x Elco 30HP electric Outboards , Solar Roof & about 40Kwh of LiFePo4 , this will become my power wall when at home.
26th February 2019, 03:57 PM
TB

You guys talking about EVs are totally missing the key point: there's not enough electricity available to support mass adoption, and even if you did install lots of big power points there'd be not enough juice to make use of them. And no you won't get the required amount of energy from solar.

A typical large EV battery holds an amount of energy that would run a typical family home for several days (and gives about 500km of range, lightly loaded). So replacing one working-class ICE vehicle with BEV is roughly comparable (order of magnitude) to adding one typical household's demand to the electrical grid. Even if there's 50% margin of error in those figures it still gives a sense of the scale of the demand we're talking about.

Electrifying our transport fleet means creating huge amounts of additional electrical generation at a time when we're already deeply divided about the necessity vs cost of replacing our existing fossil fuel-based power plants with zero-emission sources. Those who insist we have to use primarily wind and solar are arguing for a steep reduction in overall energy production, not an increase.

If you want widespread use of EVs, you need to support massive investments in expanding our power infrastructure. If you want to get rid of greenhouse gas emissions at the same time... you have no option but nuclear.

Which is why I think LR will be selling mostly ICE vehicles in Australia for quite a few years yet.
26th February 2019, 04:00 PM
blackrangie

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Originally Posted by Zeros

Exactly. As I said earlier.

However in reality I reckon the gap they are planning to fill is that left by the D4, not the Defender. The new Defender will fill the D4 gap well if the camo vehicle images are anything to go by.

But the Defender work vehicle gap remains unfilled at this stage from what we’ve seen IMO. ...unless of course the mule is a disguised D4 shell just used as a PR teaser / for testing driveline and we haven’t actually seen the new Defender body at all!

Interesting with the interior though would you not agree that if it is a pre production version of the finished interior in the leaked photos, it is very work friendly, in fact as work friendly as anyone could have hoped for.

I never expected it to be anywhere close to is rugged as that looks.
26th February 2019, 04:56 PM
blackrangie

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Originally Posted by goingbush

Beg to differ, LandRover started to lose the game in the mid 70's when Toyota FJ40 began to proliferate and more so in the 80's when they completely dropped the ball & LandCruiser started winning all the Government contracts . Dumb as dog**** comes to mind.

Toyota are king of the 4x4 hill in so many ways & I expect will remain so.

Not been my experience when I go offroad with toyotas, rangies and fendas are always the one at the top of the hill winching up the yotas. haha..nah hear what you are saying, you may be right if defenders target market was govt contracts however imo they have not had that as a focus, its more the adventure/expedition market with regards to Defender.

Are they dumb for keeping the defender the same ish shape for 70ish years, no.
Kinda smart.

Are they dumb for reinventing the defender now, when it was unprofitable and unsustainable, no.

I do understand your frustration, however I cant agree to call the people that provided such an incredible array of amazing vehicles over so many years(yes even the new Evoque is amazing) dumb as. They are no doubt extremely intelligent in many ways, just not in the specific way you want them to be.

From what i have seen of new fender so far, all looks to be good calls from an intelligent and forward thinking car manufacturer point of view.

Its guna be pretty interesting to see what she really looks like in and out.

Like i said before if its not hardcore enough, we thank landrover there is always the old series 3 with nice alloy panels that haven't rusted out after 40+years [emoji6][emoji1417].

Or better still we have the ol faithfull 4x4s.. the ultimate twin locked 2 seater 4x4! Featuring long travel indepependant susp,lifted, great approach, ramp and departure angles, unlimited wading depth, snorkel, jump,crawl and sports mode, runs on free environmentally sustainable fuel found naturally, self fueling, adaptive cruise, semi autonomous driving, 4x4 will come to you if you call it without an app and drive over difficult sections with or without you, sustainable emissions, fixes bodywork scratches automatically, can even self manufacture more 4x4s for your family + keep you company! To good to be true? Nope, just go and buy a horse! [emoji237][emoji1419]
26th February 2019, 05:01 PM
JDNSW

EVs are not an issue for the power infrastructure, given that the infrastructure is sized to handle peak loads that occur perhaps 10% of the time - and EV charging can easily be done outside that 10%, with a large proportion of them charging overnight at home - the very period that power companies tend to offer offpeak because their is less demand, or during the day when it is parked at work, which is when there is peak solar generation.

While an EV has a battery that holds a charge that could supply a typical house for several days, for most users, only a small proportion of that charge will be used each day.

The concept that EVs will overload the power infrastructure does not appear to be justified.
26th February 2019, 05:03 PM
goingbush

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Originally Posted by TB

You guys talking about EVs are totally missing the key point: there's not enough electricity available to support mass adoption, and even if you did install lots of big power points there'd be not enough juice to make use of them. And no you won't get the required amount of energy from solar.

A typical large EV battery holds an amount of energy that would run a typical family home for several days (and gives about 500km of range, lightly loaded). So replacing one working-class ICE vehicle with BEV is roughly comparable (order of magnitude) to adding one typical household's demand to the electrical grid. Even if there's 50% margin of error in those figures it still gives a sense of the scale of the demand we're talking about.

Electrifying our transport fleet means creating huge amounts of additional electrical generation at a time when we're already deeply divided about the necessity vs cost of replacing our existing fossil fuel-based power plants with zero-emission sources. Those who insist we have to use primarily wind and solar are arguing for a steep reduction in overall energy production, not an increase.

That is simply incorrect. I have a 5kw solar array it does not even cover 1/4 of my north / west facing roof space. I do a daily commute about 25km & charge once every 3 days. The Solar provides the power for the car , the house & still gives credit . If was doing 50km daily the solar would still cover the EV but not all the house . If everyone that bought an EV who had roofspace also installed solar there would still be plenty to go around for those that don't have roof space .

And lets face it if you had an EV and not solar (if you have roof space) you are throwing money down the toilet. (But not as much as you are if your buying Petrol / Diesel. )

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If you want widespread use of EVs, you need to support massive investments in expanding our power infrastructure. If you want to get rid of greenhouse gas emissions at the same time... you have no option but nuclear.

Thats certainly preferable to coal IMO

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Which is why I think LR will be selling mostly ICE vehicles in Australia for quite a few years yet.

Perhaps correct , thats is if LR are selling anything at all , they are doomed without China EV sales. Australia gets whats left.

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