Thread: Won’t be retro...

Originally Posted by scarry

Haven't used it to pull out a defrost heater from a freezer evap coil?

I remember lowering a huge ice maker down a level at a Pub using the bull bar on a falcon P/Van,but that was years ago....

I used mine to pull down a carport which had to be demolished to make way for our new garages. And to straighten the bullbar on the BIL's 80 after he clouted something and bent it.

On the offocial US LR site

"However, the next generation of Defender preserves the historic foundation of rugged durability, versatility and capability with a revolutionary design and the latest technologies. The all-new Defender will be revealed in 2019 and on sale in 2020."

All-New 2020 Land Rover Defender | Land Rover USA


Rugged, versatile, revolutionary, tech.

Sounds like an advert. Really does reek modern JLR advertising guff. It doesn't help at all with detail unfortunately. Rugged must mean compared to D5 and RR but they would call it rugged if it was 1 percent stronger. Maybee it only has to be as 'rugged' as D5 to be termed rugged...LR call the D5 "tough' on their website...maybe tough is better than rugged. See...all just marketing crap. Cheers.

Originally Posted by ozscott

Sounds like an advert. Really does reek modern JLR advertising guff. It doesn't help at all with detail unfortunately. Rugged must mean compared to D5 and RR but they would call it rugged if it was 1 percent stronger. Maybee it only has to be as 'rugged' as D5 to be termed rugged...LR call the D5 "tough' on their website...maybe tough is better than rugged. See...all just marketing crap. Cheers.

Glass half full kinda guy?

It a press release, advert, nobody is denying that, how else does a company release info.

Based on the leaked pic of interior of new fender, vid showing underneath, approach, ramp and departure angles , seems like their info has merrit, have you seen anything so far shows otherwise?

D5 is not tough? Can certainly take a beating imo and is an extremely capable offroader. Just about every motor journalist agrees.

34º approach, 30º departure, and 27.5º ramp, more than a foot and a half of wheel articulation, 11.1 inches of ground clearance, and the ability to wade through with its standard bonnet snorkel almost a meter of water. Seen vids of them jumping, underneath they are tough as imo.


All of the above is even before you touch it with any accessories .

I'm not 100% a fan of it's standard look yet(took me a while with D3 too) but wait until you see it all barred up when accessories start flowing.

YouTube

Not pessimistic.. just a realist. It IS advertising fluff. And long bitter history shows vehicle manufturers use whatever words are in the advertising lexicon to garner public interest (especially useful with the wide eyed). We won't know if it's genuinely rugged until we know the specs and it's tested. We hope it's rugged for sure.

Cheers

Originally Posted by blackrangie

Glass half full kinda guy?

It a press release, advert, nobody is denying that, how else does a company release info.

Based on the leaked pic of interior of new fender, vid showing underneath, approach, ramp and departure angles , seems like their info has merrit, have you seen anything so far shows otherwise?

D5 is not tough? Can certainly take a beating imo and is an extremely capable offroader. Just about every motor journalist agrees.

34º approach, 30º departure, and 27.5º ramp, more than a foot and a half of wheel articulation, 11.1 inches of ground clearance, and the ability to wade through with its standard bonnet snorkel almost a meter of water. Seen vids of them jumping, underneath they are tough as imo.


All of the above is even before you touch it with any accessories .

I'm not 100% a fan of it's standard look yet(took me a while with D3 too) but wait until you see it all barred up when accessories start flowing.

YouTube

I just watched that video...very unimpressive. A Hyundai Sante Fe could do all of that (save the deep wading)...If that is your and LR's measure of Tough then it's not mine. I can't imagine its your idea of a tough offroader given your profile pic... Having said that I imagine the D5 can show off it's toughness (I am using the LR terminology) better than that video thankfully.

Cheers

Originally Posted by ozscott

Not pessimistic.. just a realist. It IS advertising fluff. And long bitter history shows vehicle manufturers use whatever words are in the advertising lexicon to garner public interest (especially useful with the wide eyed). We won't know if it's genuinely rugged until we know the specs and it's tested. We hope it's rugged for sure.

Cheers

Yes, agreed (like the unbreakable Hilux haha).
However I think the real facts show the disco 5 is to a reasonable degree, tough.

The fact that Land Rover thinks they are showing it being used hard proves how little they know about off roading. It shows all light duty use.