Thread: Won’t be retro...

Originally Posted by ozscott

Assuming the New Defender is a closely similar weight to a.D5 then the little blown 2.0 petrol will be a relatively thirsty little beast.

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Cheers

Yeah thought about the weight thing, imo it will be lighter than a D5 for a few reasons.

MLA is reportedly lighter than D7u (PLA)

First details on the next Range Rover

New Defender is shorter in the rear and will have "less stuff" than a D5.

2L 4 is ok with D5 as per reviews, but you can feel it trying hard towing. So the 6 is for those that want poke or tow.

With the defender, if it is lighter, the 2L 4 may have more efficiency and more power, however the efficiency could be counteracted slightly by less aerodynamics.

The straight 6 (294kw 500nm) will be my pick 100% unless the reportedly efficient 4.4L bmw v8 (466kw 750nm torque) is offered with MHEV in a SVX/SVR defender maybe to compete with v8 G63, but my guess is they will offer something like that down the track.

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We have the Raptor guy now heading up SVO

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Interesting what the D5 SVX had added,imo this could be an insight into what the new defender could have at launch or in the future SVX models.

Land Rover Discovery SVX canned … for now

Originally Posted by ozscott

Are you in NSW BR? If so might explain difference. QLD has always been dearer. Cheers

Asked for RRP and best price, best price was figures I was quoted, I can only imagine QLD would be a grand or 2 more if anything to account for distance if they don't ship direct to Brisbane port.

Originally Posted by grey_ghost

Speaking of engines and the new Defender. There is an anti-diesel movement in Europe. Australia hasn’t followed suit (yet) but probably will eventually. If one was to purchase a new Defender with 5-10 year ownership in mind, in relation to resale value what would you go for? Petrol or Diesel? You could argue that diesel is better value but it will have ad blue, egr, etc and modern petrols are pretty efficient.... Hmm

We, well ok, me , I wanted the V8 in the D4 but alas, wasn't an option at all by the time we got to order.
If buying now, I reckon I'd still want a petrol even if only a six. Realistically, unless you have to cart a trailer full of fuel for remote travel, why would you want a diesel?(yes,if you lived out in the never never, one might think differently) As far as I'm aware, all your services are more often, and more expensive with the diesel, and petrol is probably as close to as economical to run anyway. Even if they worked out to be on an even par for economy and servicing, I think petrol would win for me overall.
I think the biggest killer for people and petrol these days (here in Aus) is the fact that the service stations seem to be allowed to charge what they want and adjust when they want as well,, something I believe the government should step in and stop. If they did it with diesel, the trucking fraternity would have a meltdown and blockade just about every major town. One can only live in hope but I digress,, sorry.
I'm not sure if my memory is serving me well, but I thought diesel used to be about half the price of petrol, which when 4x4's started coming out in diesel, it was an absolute bonus, even if the cars were as slow and gutless as all hell.

Originally Posted by Chops

why would you want a diesel?

Main thing for me is towing... the low down torque is so much better and therefore economy also..

Originally Posted by djambalawa

Main thing for me is towing... the low down torque is so much better and therefore economy also..

Wouldnt 500nm Turbo/Supercharged/with mild hybrid electric motor to assist takeoff be enough torque though?

Who thinks the straight 6 will come in diesel aswell as petrol?

For me the answer is diesel, no question.

If I bought a new Defender (and its likely I will at some stage), then its primary function will be outback touring. I think it will be a long time before there is a better option than diesel for this.

I do have an open mind however, and by the time I buy one circumstances may have changed. Some sort of hybrid may be an option but my concern is the trade-off in complexity and weight. I'm certainly not anti-petrol (or EV for that matter), but while petrol is fine for the occasional foray into remote areas, it is still a pain that you don't need.

Cheers,
Jon

Originally Posted by blackrangie

Wouldnt 500nm Turbo/Supercharged/with mild hybrid electric motor to assist takeoff be enough torque though?

Who thinks the straight 6 will come in diesel aswell as petrol?

Yep it will, to replace the TD/SDv6's, bye bye ford.

Originally Posted by jon3950

For me the answer is diesel, no question.

If I bought a new Defender (and its likely I will at some stage), then its primary function will be outback touring. I think it will be a long time before there is a better option than diesel for this.

I do have an open mind however, and by the time I buy one circumstances may have changed. Some sort of hybrid may be an option but my concern is the trade-off in complexity and weight. I'm certainly not anti-petrol (or EV for that matter), but while petrol is fine for the occasional foray into remote areas, it is still a pain that you don't need.

Cheers,
Jon

for approximately 80% of the 20th century all remote areas , farms and stations used petrol engined vehicles. The number of diesel engined Land Rovers could be counted on your fingers. Toyota started bring diesel tojos into Australia mid 70's but most resisted because comparatively they were expensive. Nissan resisted for a long time and Toyota kept selling the hilux/prado with 2.7 twin cam forever. In the 80's many pastoralists changed over and changed their tanks and pumps on their properties to diesel because diesel was less than half the price of petrol. They didn't consider torque and engine longeivity...they still don't.

So diesel engines have only had a relatively short life in 4wd vehicles here.

I think as Europe closes the door on diesels it will become a premium fuel in Australia, we dont manufacture except for small quantity in Qld, and my guess is the price will go up and availability will go down.

If you have a D2 or older you can run it on any combustible liquid cheaply.

The cockys wont continue to pay premium price for their fuel for very long and popularity of diesel in the country will wane.

The energy masters (fuel companies) will dictate to you simply by your hip pocket which fuel you will use in your vehicle.