Thread: Some better spy shots at last!

Originally Posted by loanrangie

I thinking yesterday that a base model D3 with coils and manual box is damn near a defender replacement.

So did a lot of people in South Africa - both D3 and D4 manual coiler versions.

Originally Posted by cripesamighty

So did a lot of people in South Africa - both D3 and D4 manual coiler versions.

Coils are no where near as good as EAS,off road,in a vehicle with independent suspension.

If that thing is the new Deefer,then it would need EAS to be capable off road,coupled with terrain response,which makes it full of complicated electronics.

IF accessories can't be added to it easily,that will definitely reduce sales.

I would say its being built in the same class as the D3/4,not the old Deefer class.Noting the D5 is now up into a class above the D3/4.

So Toyota will continue on their merry way with the old hat,simple 70 series,and continue to sell them in bucket loads,in Aus,and also many other countries,such as Africa.

But coils will appeal to the luddites who think old school is best.

Originally Posted by loanrangie

But coils will appeal to the luddites who think old school is best.

Good luck to them

Originally Posted by Zeros

And its most likely got air suspension, which will likely be the least durable component in the bush.

As long as they have at last sorted the adapter shaft.......

Yes,EAS is delicate,coils are so more reliable,but hopeless in a vehicle that has IS all corners.

There are probably more EAS issues in the D3/4 section than any other issue,and one of the few things that i have had issues with in my D4.

The more complicated a vehicle is the more chance of failures,not ideal for remote area travel.

I actually think that,if it is the new Deefer is probably going to be in the same class as a D3/4,noting the D5 has gone up to a new level.

As i said on another thread on here,

If this new thing is the new Deefer,and accessories are difficult to fit(think D5),is highly complicated with electronics,the 70 series nice and simple will soldier on and continue high sales both here in Aus,as well as many other countries of the world,such as Africa.
And LR have virtually no chance of ever getting the market back,maybe they don't want it?

Recently i have travelled extensively in East Africa,the old TDI is vehicle of choice for many.But any LR built later than them is not wanted,and the latest run of Defenders,particularly from 07 have a shocking reputation everywhere.So the 70 with the 1 HZ,still available new is now the vehicle of choice,and has been for many years.

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Originally Posted by scarry

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Recently i have travelled extensively in East Africa,the old TDI is vehicle of choice for many.But any LR built later than them is not wanted,and the latest run of Defenders,particularly from 07 have a shocking reputation everywhere.So the 70 with the 1 HZ,still available new is now the vehicle of choice,and has been for many years.

That's right, I have even seen an ad from Nene Overland (IIRC) in the UK where they convert the TD5 Discoveries to TDI engines, I believe they call it a "Sahara" conversion, obviously for remote desert travel.

Originally Posted by weeds

I’m guessing it’s a mule......I doubt they would give away final body shape this early.

They haven’t tried to hide they are doing testing so I’m guessing they are playing with our minds.

They're not mules, LR have started that they're pilot builds - so this is pretty much the final shape.
And these "spy" pics apparently came from LR .