Thread: DEFENDER designer VS BOLLINGER designer

Originally Posted by goingbush

I cant see anything on there that discredits what Im saying, Fact is the 2013 and onwards Iveco 4x4's are ADR non compliant , and I did read that ADR's wont be a thing on any new imports post 2018 . but darned if I can find it now.

Is it just your point of view that the Iveco is non-compliant or a fact ?
I can't imagine the government dropping ADR's just because we don't manufacture vehicles here because it always applied to imports as well.

Just found this Iveco Daily 4x4 light truck


Colin

Originally Posted by Zeros

They must have had a premonition. ...the good thing is, if there are four of you travelling in a road rover, it’s easier to push yourselves out of a bog. Infact it wasn’t all that long ago that two wheel drive wagons were the vehicle of choice for desert journeys. So back to the future it is and buy shares in roadside assist / remote towing companies and tow ropes. 🙃

OK, now you've lost me.......


Colin

Originally Posted by gromit

Is it just your point of view that the Iveco is non-compliant or a fact ?
I can't imagine the government dropping ADR's just because we don't manufacture vehicles here because it always applied to imports as well.

Just found this Iveco Daily 4x4 light truck


Colin

Fact is stranger than fiction.

That article is wrong, too many people believe what they are told or read. The vehicle in question is homologised & tested in Europe only. The 2013 release was never tested in Australia & does not meet several ADR's ( the 2016 was tested here but still fails) . Late 2014 I was 'invited' to a meeting with Product manager responsible for bringing the vehicle to Australia in his office at Iveco HQ , to discuss issues I had with the vehicle (or maybe issues that had with me). He admitted the Vehicle was never tested here & is certified on EU compliance. He conceded and promised to fix the brakes, nothing happened with the trucks but he no longer works at Iveco.

The RCVS website stated that it does not meet ADR's , Also it states it has Vented front rotors , infact it does not . The brakes miss on many points , especially there is not a functioning secondary (dual circuit) brake system incase of line fail . If one of the rear lines fail you have no front brakes and vice versa. there is no pressure differential warning , its does not meet ADR's and is Dangerous.

my webpage on the brake issues ... Going Bush

RCVS also notes the exhaust outlet position is a fail. Despite these documented ADR issues it road legal here .

Problem is I add vented front rotors I have to go to an Engineer he wants the entire brake system made ADR compliant to blue plate it , even though it wasn't to begin with.

I doubt many recent Euro cars are actually ADR compliant, it seems we have tougher rules than anyone else. But they dont need our drop in an ocean of a market so why make cars meet our tougher regs . they don't.

wow,, single circuit brakes.. how is that possibly sold anywhere, not just here..

Originally Posted by Pedro_The_Swift

wow,, single circuit brakes.. how is that possibly sold anywhere, not just here..

They are dual circuit, but there is no reserve in the MasterCylinder Reservoir , that is the fluid is shared , if you lose a rear line ALL the fluid drains out & none left for the front . If you lose a front line the rear don't work, The design is flawed .

Obviously I'm not going to keep that system so I took my MC off and sectioned it . Iveco still say it complies & are doing nothing about it .

I replaced it with a GM MC and converted to diagonal 50-50 split rather than front / rear split.

Silly first post,
This is obviously a pic from the CLOTHING OPTIONS list for the new L660,,
comes with matching luggage naturally,,

Originally Posted by goingbush

Fact is stranger than fiction.

That article is wrong, too many people believe what they are told or read. The vehicle in question is homologised & tested in Europe only. The 2013 release was never tested in Australia & does not meet several ADR's ( the 2016 was tested here but still fails) .

I don't understand the situation with ADR's and the Iveco because all vehicles sold/registered in Australia are meant to meet them.
Is the Iveco a Light Truck and therefore circumvents some of the ADR's that apply to cars ?

Some years back we ran a Jap import (Mitsubishi Delica) and it had to have the seatbelts replaced, brake friction materials replaced, all the instructions relating to the seats had to be translated and the engine had a compliance plate attached to be registered in Australia.

When I'm next at the Ford Design Centre I'll ask a contact there and see if he has an insight into the situation.

As to people believing what they are told or read.....where did you read about ADR's not applying to imports after 2018 ?


Colin

Originally Posted by gromit

I don't understand the situation with ADR's and the Iveco because all vehicles sold/registered in Australia are meant to meet them.
Is the Iveco a Light Truck and therefore circumvents some of the ADR's that apply to cars ?

Some years back we ran a Jap import (Mitsubishi Delica) and it had to have the seatbelts replaced, brake friction materials replaced, all the instructions relating to the seats had to be translated and the engine had a compliance plate attached to be registered in Australia.

When I'm next at the Ford Design Centre I'll ask a contact there and see if he has an insight into the situation.

As to people believing what they are told or read.....where did you read about ADR's not applying to imports after 2018 ?


Colin

My Daily is registered as a Dual Cab Ute as it stated GVM is 4495 , Some are registered as Light Trucks with a GVM of 5500kg but they are identical & have the same compliance plate , No ADR's are listed on compliance , but nor are the on my wifes car , another late Euro Import , 2017 Renault Captur .

Im struggling to find the govt document, but it was to do with Personal Import Rules changing in 2018 and ADR's being not applicable on EU certified imports.

Here is what another owner has written about the Iveco brakes

Brakes

Also this document tends to suggest ADR's need to apply . (My compliance plate is 37140 )

MOTOR VEHICLE STANDARDS ACT 1989

Not sure what the wheel guards refer to but none of the vehicles sold to this date have a compliant exhaust. (it does not exit at the perimeter of vehicle, but is cut off 600mm forward of the rear axle about 300mm from the centreline of the vehicle. )

Complaints have been lodged with RVCS about the brake fiasco & apparently an investigation is underway.