All new defender

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Originally Posted by ramblingboy42

yeah I get the point you are making.

I don't think Land Rover are going to pull it off..

If they do it will be cost prohibitive.....that why I never bought a Defender in the past

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The older disco's (D1, D2 and D3) are a great buy at the moment if you want a good capable 4WD wagon as far a Bang for Buck goes, Defenders Not so much.
Most 4WD wagons are a pleasure to drive But they have their limitations when you do Serious touring/remote work and IF Landrover don't add a single/dual cab version of the new Defender then it will just be a "Meh" moment and most of the loyal fender owners will desert the "Brand" altogether and go elsewhere.
There is a lot of Speculation about how the new defender will look and what is equipped with So we will just have to sit and wait to see what eventuates AND evaluate IF it is a worthwhile 4WD to spend your quids on AND if it is a better option to the other Brands offerings [thumbsupbig]

exactly Trout.

Yes all we can do is wait and see. ...Or keep talking about waiting and seeing. [bigwhistle]

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Originally Posted by Zeros

Yes all we can do is wait and see. ...Or keep talking about waiting and seeing. [bigwhistle]

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Haha

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Originally Posted by trout1105

The older disco's (D1, D2 and D3) are a great buy at the moment if you want a good capable 4WD wagon as far a Bang for Buck goes, Defenders Not so much.
Most 4WD wagons are a pleasure to drive But they have their limitations when you do Serious touring/remote work and IF Landrover don't add a single/dual cab version of the new Defender then it will just be a "Meh" moment and most of the loyal fender owners will desert the "Brand" altogether and go elsewhere.
There is a lot of Speculation about how the new defender will look and what is equipped with So we will just have to sit and wait to see what eventuates AND evaluate IF it is a worthwhile 4WD to spend your quids on AND if it is a better option to the other Brands offerings [thumbsupbig]

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D3 was an abomination when it was released, i still remember all the comments, funny how they are desirable now after the future caught up with it [emoji57]. D5 is the same, so many showing up on the roads now. Defender will no doubt be the same, initial shock it isn't a carbon copy, then people will start to get over it as they get used to it and the mods start showing.
Or maybe they will nail the styling so well 95% of potential buyers will desire it from day 1 [emoji7].

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Originally Posted by ramblingboy42

some here seem to think the y62 isnt much good straight from the showroom.

well I can tell you that if you can stay with a y62 anywhere , I mean anywhere you will be doing very , very well.

you may have to visit the fuel pump before it does too.

and save yourself $20-30,000 driveaway

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With all due respect to Y62 owners, the y62 was brought up as an example of needing mods before doing a big lap and not being a 4wd ready truck from factory.(see pics).

Some comments where made about the orange defender pic being not a real 4wd, Please, the y62 and the lc200 look signigicantly more shopping trolley than any of the Defender sketches seen to date.

I remember seeing the y62 at a car show before release, years ago, and I swore nobody would ever buy one both because of the exterior and interior not even bothering to look at the mechanicals.

Fast forward a few years and i have had to eat humble pie, the mods and barwork have started flowing and people gave them a chance, and hey they ended up being a daym good truck after you bar em up, but for me still can't get over their ugliness in and out, even though I love a good 8, and they certainly have that ! [emoji1417]

Imo even the D5 with its strange rear door (heard that before) is fundamentally much better looking than a y62 in factory form.
Will a d5 look like a real 4x4 with kaymar twins and arb front + sliders, for sure.

Not a y62 bash as they are great trucks if their looks are your thing or you can put up with the look.

Point is, its funny how people get worked up about the slightest bit of roundness on a D5, RRV or a fantasy new Defender artists impression and call them blobs bla bla, when some of the most popular 4wds in AU are glorified shopping trolleys terrible approach, departure and ramp angles, before a cheque is written for 25k at ARB [emoji23].

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Originally Posted by blackrangie

D3 was an abomination when it was released, i still remember all the comments, funny how they are desirable now after the future caught up with it [emoji57]. D5 is the same, so many showing up on the roads now. Defender will no doubt be the same, initial shock it isn't a carbon copy, then people will start to get over it as they get used to it and the mods start showing.
Or maybe they will nail the styling so well 95% of potential buyers will desire it from day 1 [emoji7].

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Not for my money. I have wheeled with D3 and D4. In very arduous conditions like Cape York they are both less capable than a mildly lifted D2 and more prone to issues. They proved problematic on the OTT and everyone was on tenterhooks for what was going to go wrong next. Just too many electronics and air suspension connections for the conditions. Cheers


Ps. But if not going through bonnet height water they are probably one of the best things around to tour in.

Thing that puzzles me - the Defender (and its predecessors) are working vehicles - why all the emphasis on appearance? Perhaps because there is nothing significant available on its actual specifications?

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Originally Posted by ozscott

Not for my money. I have wheeled with D3 and D4. In very arduous conditions like Cape York they are both less capable than a mildly lifted D2 and more prone to issues. They proved problematic on the OTT and everyone was on tenterhooks for what was going to go wrong next. Just too many electronics and air suspension connections for the conditions. Cheers


Ps. But if not going through bonnet height water they are probably one of the best things around to tour in.

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Live axle d2 is a very capable truck! Agree a d2 would be more capable than a d3/4 but they are completely different standards of cars.
I would also argue that the D3 or D4 is overall a much more reliable and suitable car for doing a big lap over a d2.

100% you would have to have the right tyre and wheel combo with spares and ensure that if you have a suspension the main components are not more than 10 years old imo

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A coil d3 (whilst not as capable as an air version) are said to be very desirable as expedition build trucks. However people still feel air is better overall all things considered, i would agree if maintained right.

The point with the D3 and D4 was that when they first came out people thought they were ugly and an abomination to the discovery name, now people love them and no one talks about the rear door being ugly or the car in general.

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Originally Posted by JDNSW

Thing that puzzles me - the Defender (and its predecessors) are working vehicles - why all the emphasis on appearance? Perhaps because there is nothing significant available on its actual specifications?

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Yes maybe good point, I think people need to love the look of their 4x4 as well as it being functional.
There is a fair bit of information available about the mechanics of what the car will be and not be you just have to dig.