All new defender

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Originally Posted by scarry

Maybe i am just lucky,or have drivers that look after the vehicles and they are serviced correctly?

Showstoppers from the factory?Sure you have the brand and type of vehicle correct?

Maybe we will have a look at a few LR issues,online,if you want to compare.....

Or maybe some of those vehicle surveys?

Better not go there[biggrin]

We could go on and on,but you are correct,nothing is perfect and 100% reliable,and every vehicle is a compromise in one way or the other.

Some are just more of a compromise than others.

I think the new deefer will suit some,but as a remote area tourer,maybe not,it will no doubt be full of electronics,and complicated,same as LR's other current offerings.And the lack of dealers in regional areas will put buyers off.Too far to go even for a service or a small warranty issue.

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Again, not the point

Point is, Yota fans believe 70series (in particular 79series) are the ultimate 4x4, reliable and perfect from the factory.

Of course there are going to be good and bad fender reviews online no one is denying this. I put the hiace reviews and common problems as an example of the point, Toyota marketing/public perception vs reality.

Saying a hiace is reliable and then saying well the 70 series must be too is a non point, many co's build a reliable van, and a 4x4 is a different ballgame, from what we can see most Van's are as reliable as each other these days anyway. Great your happy with your couple of vans though and they have been good for you [emoji1419]


As above extensive post pointing out the factory issues with V8 79 series there are multiple around 10 defects from the factory that need addressing before you do a big lap in one. Including around 5 showstopper issues.

Are standard defenders the ultimate in reliability from the factory, no.

Does the LATEST defender have any showstoppers from the factory? Yes

I've heard the gearbox-lt230 spline needs a lubrication mod for the spline (4wd industries do a good one) Is this still the case with the latest models?
Rear diff still an issue?
Anyone got any more late puma factory showstoppers?

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Are standard 79 series the ultimate in reliability from the factory, no.

Does the LATEST 79series have any showstoppers from the factory? Yes

Snorkel: lets water in airbox, engine.(fix avail, fit safari)

Alt: hangs almost inline with Diff, 1 decent muddy waterlogged road or dirty crossing and its cooked. (Fix avail 3k)

Starter: Mounted in valley of V8, water crossing come through bonnet vent, submerge part of starter in valley and don't drain out leading to starter failure (fix is to replace when fails, very hard location)

Injectors: overly sensitive and hate any dirt or water (preventative fix, fit very good pre filter water seperator,alarm)

Wheel bearings: if not maintained constantly will can prematurely fail.

No rose coloured glasses in sight [emoji41]

How will the new defender go? Based on all the testing, pretty well
Will it have issues to address? Yes

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Originally Posted by Vern

Stop having a go at me Chris, you're so mean[emoji6]. Anyway, he wasn't a mate of a mate, he was an actual mate. [emoji39].

As for other vans, can't fault my iload, not as nice as my transporter was, but in 200kkm, all its had done to it apart from front brake pads, is a clutch (3000km ago) which still worked great, just the dual mass flywheel was starting to get noisy.

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Not trying to split hairs but you get the drift [wink11]

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Originally Posted by blackrangie

Again, not the point

Point is, Yota fans believe 70series (in particular 79series) are the ultimate 4x4, reliable and perfect from the factory.

Of course there are going to be good and bad fender reviews online no one is denying this. I put the hiace reviews and common problems as an example of the point, Toyota marketing/public perception vs reality.

Saying a hiace is reliable and then saying well the 70 series must be too is a non point, many co's build a reliable van, and a 4x4 is a different ballgame, from what we can see most Van's are as reliable as each other these days anyway. Great your happy with your couple of vans though and they have been good for you [emoji1419]


As above extensive post pointing out the factory issues with V8 79 series there are multiple around 10 defects from the factory that need addressing before you do a big lap in one. Including around 5 showstopper issues.

Are standard defenders the ultimate in reliability from the factory, no.

Does the LATEST defender have any showstoppers from the factory? Yes

I've heard the gearbox-lt230 spline needs a lubrication mod for the spline (4wd industries do a good one) Is this still the case with the latest models?
Rear diff still an issue?
Anyone got any more late puma factory showstoppers?

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Are standard 79 series the ultimate in reliability from the factory, no.

Does the LATEST 79series have any showstoppers from the factory? Yes

Snorkel: lets water in airbox, engine.(fix avail, fit safari)

Alt: hangs almost inline with Diff, 1 decent muddy waterlogged road or dirty crossing and its cooked. (Fix avail 3k)

Starter: Mounted in valley of V8, water crossing come through bonnet vent, submerge part of starter in valley and don't drain out leading to starter failure (fix is to replace when fails, very hard location)

Injectors: overly sensitive and hate any dirt or water (preventative fix, fit very good pre filter water seperator,alarm)

Wheel bearings: if not maintained constantly will can prematurely fail.

No rose coloured glasses in sight [emoji41]

How will the new defender go? Based on all the testing, pretty well
Will it have issues to address? Yes

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:Rolling::Rolling:

I think i will just leave the above here so others have twice the chance to laugh at it.

All your doing is going around in circles,and tripping over yourself on your travels.....[bighmmm]

Oh,and when does a factory fitted raised air intake suddenly become a waterproof snorkel?

Whether fitted by Nissan,Mitsubishi,Land Rover,Toyota,or any other manufacturer?

Do a bit of research,and find out the facts.

Just more BS.

I noticed a new user on Instagram “newdefendernews”... I wonder who is behind it..?

I've actually driven an iLoad and it was pretty average. The engine was gutless and had to be towed uphills, brakes were spongy, the body boomed and needed insulation and the seats were hard. It also took me a long time to find the jack, which was pretty ordinary to use, when it got a flat tyre (not its fault).
But hey, no vehicle is perfect.

What’s Instagram?

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

I've actually driven an iLoad and it was pretty average. The engine was gutless and had to be towed uphills, brakes were spongy, the body boomed and needed insulation and the seats were hard. It also took me a long time to find the jack, which was pretty ordinary to use, when it got a flat tyre (not its fault).
But hey, no vehicle is perfect.

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Just wait until you get to drive a late model Hi Ace,by reports they are worse[biggrin]

But they do have front factory 'recovery points',that work extremely well if ever needed.

And yes we did get one badly bogged one day,it was fully loaded,the D2a only just managed to pull it out.

Better actually than the factory fitted recovery points on the LR product that was discontinued in 2016:Rolling:

But hey,correct, no vehicle is perfect,they are all actually a compromise.

EDIT...To save someone asking,those recovery points are 20mm eye bolts with extended threaded sections that screw into the front of each chassis rail.They don't have a rating on them,but we snatched off them once,and the van was loaded,with no issue at all.

One thing that I have often wondered - are new vehicles too complicated because of the manufacturers, their requirement to meet emission and safety standards or a combination of both?

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Originally Posted by scarry

:Rolling::Rolling:

I think i will just leave the above here so others have twice the chance to laugh at it.

All your doing is going around in circles,and tripping over yourself on your travels.....[bighmmm]

Oh,and when does a factory fitted raised air intake suddenly become a waterproof snorkel?

Whether fitted by Nissan,Mitsubishi,Land Rover,Toyota,or any other manufacturer?

Do a bit of research,and find out the facts.

Just more BS.

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Notice how i dont continuosly starting responses with laughes in response, lets keep discussion here respectful however amusing you find it.

The Factory yota "snorkels" are a joke (call them raised air intakes if you like) why would toyota go to all the effort of designing a raised air intake that looks exactly like a snorkel knowing full well that these 4x4s will be used for river crossings all over AU, Same goes for the Alt and the Starter as already mentioned (or is the Alt a battery helper when working and one must run 4x solar panels also to be reliable or is the starter just there as a luxury if a hill isn't avail to start your car).

The snorkel issue can be spun however liked but one things for sure i don't know anyone that has fitted a snorkel just to raise the air intake just to avoid dust and not water.

It is a commonly known fact that the factory yota snorkel/raised intake/tube coming off engine/dust snorkel with ram or whatever one wants to call it, is worthless for all purposes other than on road driving(there is no way that's what Toyota buyers expect when forking out on a new rig), It lets water and dust in, It is a potential showstopper if not fully siliconed up or replaced with a high quality safari (or similar) unit.
I would love to hear from Any yota buyer that was told when purchasing that the snorkel is fake and onroad suitable only, i believe they are officially known as "dust snorkels".

Here are some Yota fans chatting about it

Waterproofing snorkel IDEAS - Australian 4WD Action | Forum

V8 cruiser snorkel - replace the head or the whole snorkel? - Australian 4WD Action | Forum

sikaflexing factory snorkel/ how long does this last - Australian 4WD Action | Forum

Calling what I have written b* is not really in keeping with AULRO bud, If you disagree with anything anyone writes, thats not a problem, just point it out with facts, I for one am happy to be shown when I'm incorrect, all part of learning which never stops.

One things for sure I can see plain as day so far as far as facts are concerned that the 79 series has many more potential showstoppers from the factory that need to be addressed than a late model defender before doing a big lap. Not that its a competition. To be fair I would agree that the toyota has a much better overall quality of build from the factory compared to a late defender.

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Originally Posted by grey_ghost

One thing that I have often wondered - are new vehicles too complicated because of the manufacturers, their requirement to meet emission and safety standards or a combination of both?

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I would say both plus a need to always have more features and capability than the next guy.
I believe as far as the defender is concerned safety and emissions where the largest factors in making the decision to move to a more complex vehicle.