All new defender

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Originally Posted by scarry

But hey,correct, no vehicle is perfect,they are all actually a compromise.

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Agreed

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Originally Posted by grey_ghost

I noticed a new user on Instagram “newdefendernews”... I wonder who is behind it..?

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I doubt JLR, got a screenshot? I've been clean from knowing everything my friends do before I talk to them for over a year now.

Is that the pic with vehicle covered partly?

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Originally Posted by blackrangie

Notice how i dont continuosly starting responses with laughes in response, lets keep discussion here respectful however amusing you find it.

The Factory yota "snorkels" are a joke (call them raised air intakes if you like) why would toyota go to all the effort of designing a raised air intake that looks exactly like a snorkel knowing full well that these 4x4s will be used for river crossings all over AU, Same goes for the Alt and the Starter as already mentioned (or is the Alt a battery helper when working and one must run 4x solar panels also to be reliable or is the starter just there as a luxury if a hill isn't avail to start your car).

The snorkel issue can be spun however liked but one things for sure i don't know anyone that has fitted a snorkel just to raise the air intake just to avoid dust and not water.

It is a commonly known fact that the factory yota snorkel/raised intake/tube coming off engine/dust snorkel with ram or whatever one wants to call it, is worthless for all purposes other than on road driving(there is no way that's what Toyota buyers expect when forking out on a new rig), It lets water and dust in, It is a potential showstopper if not fully siliconed up or replaced with a high quality safari (or similar) unit.
I would love to hear from Any yota buyer that was told when purchasing that the snorkel is fake and onroad suitable only, i believe they are officially known as "dust snorkels".

Here are some Yota fans chatting about it

Waterproofing snorkel IDEAS - Australian 4WD Action | Forum

V8 cruiser snorkel - replace the head or the whole snorkel? - Australian 4WD Action | Forum

sikaflexing factory snorkel/ how long does this last - Australian 4WD Action | Forum

Calling what I have written b* is not really in keeping with AULRO bud, If you disagree with anything anyone writes, thats not a problem, just point it out with facts, I for one am happy to be shown when I'm incorrect, all part of learning which never stops.

One things for sure I can see plain as day so far as far as facts are concerned that the 79 series has many more potential showstoppers from the factory that need to be addressed than a late model defender before doing a big lap. Not that its a competition. To be fair I would agree that the toyota has a much better overall quality of build from the factory compared to a late defender.

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No laughs as per your request,but you are still going around in circles,amusing[biggrin]

Obviously you didn't read my last post,i will repeat.

Any factory fitted raised air intake fitted to a Nissan,Mitsubishi,Toyota,Ranger,or Land Rover is just that.Whether owners know this or not,who knows?None are waterproofed,NONE.

What owners expect,who knows?If you go through posts/threads on here,you will find there are some on this issue,owners found out after they had them fitted.Mainly D3/4 owners.I cant remember if they are any on Defenders.

I haven't got time to find the links for you.

In fact,if any buyer had a good look at the specs for a late model 70 series,they would see that it has a wading depth of 700mm,so the factory fitted raised air intake/snorkle is clearly not waterproof.If owners don't read the vehicle manual,good luck to them.

As for your last sentence,correct,there is just no comparison.Not only have i had a lot to do with the Puma in my sig,but i know quite a few that have late model 70 series,and have driven several.

The big advantage of the Deefer is its long travel coil suspension.It is debatable which engine is better,depends what your needs are,they are like chalk and cheese to drive.

As for showstoppers,we are going to have to agree to disagree.

There are many on here about the Puma,for numerous different reasons,many we have already talked about,and others including clutches,turbo hoses rubbing through,etc.

In fact the guys at MR auto were telling me the other day,LR are up to their 5th change to the clutch kit,for the Puma.

Anyway,all healthy comparisons,if we all agreed on the same thing,the place would be boring.[biggrin]

Umm,quick search,found one,have a look at this,and the links in some of the posts.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/l319-disc...3=#post1375380

As one poster says " It blows my mind that it would not be water proof. You would think LR would make it properly for the money it cost!"

Looks like it... it's getting close!

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Originally Posted by rar110

Is that the pic with vehicle covered partly?

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Originally Posted by rar110

Is that the pic with vehicle covered partly?

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...30f239b9b4.jpg

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Not sure what that is!

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Originally Posted by scarry

No laughs as per your request,but you are still going around in circles,amusing[biggrin]

Obviously you didn't read my last post,i will repeat.

Any factory fitted raised air intake fitted to a Nissan,Mitsubishi,Toyota,Ranger,or Land Rover is just that.Whether owners know this or not,who knows?None are waterproofed,NONE.

What owners expect,who knows?If you go through posts/threads on here,you will find there are some on this issue,owners found out after they had them fitted.Mainly D3/4 owners.I cant remember if they are any on Defenders.

I haven't got time to find the links for you.

In fact,if any buyer had a good look at the specs for a late model 70 series,they would see that it has a wading depth of 700mm,so the factory fitted raised air intake/snorkle is clearly not waterproof.If owners don't read the vehicle manual,good luck to them.

As for your last sentence,correct,there is just no comparison.Not only have i had a lot to do with the Puma in my sig,but i know quite a few that have late model 70 series,and have driven several.

The big advantage of the Deefer is its long travel coil suspension.It is debatable which engine is better,depends what your needs are,they are like chalk and cheese to drive.

As for showstoppers,we are going to have to agree to disagree.

There are many on here about the Puma,for numerous different reasons,many we have already talked about,and others including clutches,turbo hoses rubbing through,etc.

In fact the guys at MR auto were telling me the other day,LR are up to their 5th change to the clutch kit,for the Puma.

Anyway,all healthy comparisons,if we all agreed on the same thing,the place would be boring.[biggrin]

Umm,quick search,found one,have a look at this,and the links in some of the posts.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/l319-disc...3=#post1375380

As one poster says " It blows my mind that it would not be water proof. You would think LR would make it properly for the money it cost!"

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LandCruiser 70 | Still Powerful, Still Indestructible | Toyota Australia

If i drove my cruiser through a river crossing and got water in via airbox or snorkel (showstopper) toyota would be liable for a new engine due to false advertising 100% as per pic and link.

79 series are different as the snorkel is a factory part of the car, not an optional extra, i would say 90% of buyers would be none the wiser unless they read it on a forum or heard it from a mate like I did. Nobody would go and measure the airbox to see if its 700mm from the ground.

You would assume a factory fitted snorkel would cover you to a reasonable depth especially if it is advertised as such.

Yes of course other brands snorkels that are optional extras are sometimes also rubbish but this was not the point.

The point was that the 79s have multiple fundamental flaws (around 5 last count as per previous posts) from the factory which can, if not addressed, lead to trip ending scenarios just like any other 4x4, including Defenders.

When people say a 79 series are more reliable than a defender, I say back yes maybe between work sites on the bitumen.

When both 70 series and fenda drivers address their factory flaws, its game on.
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Originally Posted by blackrangie

I doubt JLR, got a screenshot? I've been clean from knowing everything my friends do before I talk to them for over a year now.

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Here is the instagram user - can't be LR themselves, it must just be an enthusiast:

https://i.imgur.com/7Uwiwgb.png

And while I am at it - I also spotted this image:

https://i.imgur.com/nIRUZFl.png

Cheers,
GG.

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Originally Posted by grey_ghost

Here is the instagram user - can't be LR themselves, it must just be an enthusiast:

https://i.imgur.com/7Uwiwgb.png

And while I am at it - I also spotted this image:

https://i.imgur.com/nIRUZFl.png

Cheers,
GG.

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Yeah legit corporate accounts usually dont follow people.

Hm somewhere between that brown one and autocar renders but more aggressive style is my guess

If I was in a position to choose between the last of the defenders and a 70series to pack up and do a lap it’d be a 70 I reckon.

Based mostly on feedback from an ex AULRO member that had an 06 defender which meant say is nearly the best defender to purchase.

I have a 2000 defender and a 2014 hi-lux....the hi-lux has done 160k and the defender 100k....the hi-lux hasn’t had a spanner on it, the defer on the other hand........pretty sure I know why Land Rover will never compete with the big players going forward.

Oh my defer is a keeper.....now that’s it’s set up. In hindsight I should have shelled out a few more and went with a troopie