All new defender

Just a heads up on the track difference for those that may not be aware.
this has not always been the case and only became an issue with the introduction of the v8.

Toyota simply widened the track in the front to accomodate the 8 and didn’t bother to correct the rear, probably just to save $$.
What is primarily a work truck adapted to recreational use means it probably won’t be fixed in the near future.

There are various options available to correct the issue, the cheapest being spacers (illegal I believe) varying the front and rear rim offset (not good for carrying spares) and then upwards to the full rear end coil conversion.
All at the owners expense obviously.
But as said many just put up with it and claim no or little I’ll effects

Toyota also finally acknowledged that the fifth gear ratio inherited from the 6 cylinder days was not tall enough to do the v8 justice when cruising. Up around 2,400 rpm at 100 km/h.

A taller second and fifth gear were introduced in 2016 moving 100 km/h cruising to 2,000 rpm with the subsequent economy gains.

As for reliability?
I will just have to wait and see however I can say the td5 has never let us down in 15 years of ownership and we have certainly used it.




Paul.

Good luck Harro with your choice [wink11]
Every car out there has their own quirks [bigwhistle]

Some people will live with them ,

Some people try to defend them [bighmmm]

Me im a tragic so fight you Bastards .
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I think it’s time to remove those rose coloured glasses.

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I thought that was blackrangie's point? Addressing the standard issue, Australian rose coloured glasses when dealing with anything Toyota?

I do agree with your later posts though - there is no perfect vehicle. I'm perfectly happy with my D4 because it suits my (our) use. Obviously, it doesn't suit other people, just as a 76 series won't adorn my driveway any time soon.

I am excited at the prospect of the new defender being what looks like (or intended to look like) the spiritual successor to the D4. I do feel for the true old-school Defender owners - I've been there. When the D5 came out, my heart broke too. :(

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Originally Posted by scarry

At least the track difference isn’t a show stopper,unlike many of the Defender issues.

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Many? Have a go at pulling them out of the archives, 10 years of puma posts to enjoy .... and then head over to the toyo forums and have a look at their show stoppers. Wont that be fun!

Harro had a TD5, and just confessed 15 years without a 'show stopper'. The replacement toyo has a lot to live up to!

As does the new defender!!

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Many? Have a go at pulling them out of the archives, 10 years of puma posts to enjoy .... and then head over to the toyo forums and have a look at their show stoppers. Wont that be fun!

Harro had a TD5, and just confessed 15 years without a 'show stopper'. The replacement toyo has a lot to live up to!

As does the new defender!!

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The Toyo will live up to it easy.

The TD5 and earlier Deefers weren't too bad,it was the later ones that had the issues.

Its a shame really,because they were the end of an era.

Been on a couple of Toyota forums for years,so i recon i have a fair idea how they go,and run a fleet of Toyota vans,have done for over 10yrs.

Enough said

Oh,for the OP,one issue with those 70 series is the wheel bearing set up,it needs a lot of maintenance.

But having the Jmax set up it may be different and needs less maintenance?

Interestingly, I have had just three showstoppers with my 110 in 640,000km over 33 years - alternator failure; starter solenoid (both nippon-denso); non existent weld on front radius arm chassis mount. Only the last strictly a Landrover issue.

Oh dear JDNSW - time for a new vehicle... [emoji6]

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Originally Posted by scarry

The TD5 and earlier Deefers weren't too bad,it was the later ones that had the issues.

Its a shame really,because they were the end of an era.

Been on a couple of Toyota forums for years,so i recon i have a fair idea how they go,and run a fleet of Toyota vans,have done for over 10yrs.

Enough said

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Nice, how many pumas you been running?

I bag the pumas every now and again, mostly for not having bulkhead vents ! They introduced some weakneses in the drive line and some fuel intolerance issues but most figured out how to set it straight fairly early, and it costs less than bringi ng a 70 up to spec.. we drove two fairly stock 2.4s hard across the gunbarrel and beyond without issues. I'll stick up for them against the 70 series!

Only issue with mine has been a rattling clutch and the air-con not being as cold as I would like.

Toyota’s have great aircon. That’s it. Apart from using a lot more fuel.

Dare I say it? All the 70 series I’ve driven for work over the years have been agricultural, uncomfortable and not as capable compared to my Defenders. They cost a lot more to run too and major components can fail just like all vehicles. The narrow rear track, with the horse and cart springs, is a $10k fix alone. And then you still have leaf springs.

Only one showstopper with my TDI in 320k - seized alternator bearing.
None touch wood for Puma in 92k. ...Replaced/lubed adapter shaft as precaution before it stopped.

Having said all that, if I was in market for a new one, obviously 70 series is all that’s available. Second hand? Plenty of great Defenders with all the fruit being traded on Tojos are available!

Back to ‘all new Defender’, all new D4 by the looks of it. Which makes a 70 series the only real option for a work vehicle.

We’ll see! If Defender is hybrid / EV, HD and cones in a dualcab it will go well against Tojo. If it’s another escapist SUV it won’t be a Defender in my book. And Tojo cones out in front again in the new vehicle stakes and classic Defenders will hold their value.