Thread: All new defender

Originally Posted by JDNSW

I would put it more as speculation rather than information. For example, it is likely that it will be built on their new platform, it is almost certain to have Ingenium engines, but which ones is pure speculation. There have been conflicting hints as to what body types will be available, fairly definite statements as to multiple wheelbases, but what they are and when they will be released are all just speculation.

Yes however when you speculate + use the facts at hand, sometimes it leads you to logical conclusions and dependent on how many facts there are that lead you to that conclusion sometimes it's almost as good as fact. Kinda like pure speculation based on a gut feeling maybe a 25% chance of being correct.
Speculating or theorizing using multiple supporting facts could be anything above 75% or even up to 99% sure.

Originally Posted by blackrangie

I think the pyramid shows, but could be wrong.

Discovery:

Intelligent
Versatile
Enabling
Breadth of capability

Defender:

Functional
Durable
Practical
Off road expertise

This is the JLR public plan moving forward and focus of these vehicles.

I would say the Disco matches its brief, that is positive for the new fender.
From the mules, JLR comments, spy pics, etc haven't seen anything that would disprove the defenders brief.

What we know so far:

Fully independant long travel susp
Extensive underbody protection.
Great approach/rampover/departure angles.
Variety of engines Ingenium petrol and desiel.
Highly probable 3 front seats, based on leak and dealer comments.
Relatively durable interior based on leak.
Def Auto, maybe manual but unlikely.
SWB and LWB, and 8 or so other body's
2020 Land Rover Defender: What We Know | Land Rover Palm Beach
Rear hung spare (optional?)
MLA infrastructure (mild/Hybrid/Ev)
Most capable vehicle JLR have made yet.
18 inch wheels with possiblity of 17s
Full retro side opening rear door.
Monocoque (lighter and stronger)
Will have landrover incontrol features.
Pricing: unreleased.

"JLR has also said it will launch a three-cylinder Ingenium engine that will be used in a future plug-in hybrid version of the Range Rover Evoque compact SUV. JLR is also expected to announce a diesel straight-six Ingenium engine to replace a Ford-sourced V-6 unit.

JLR currently buys V-6 and V-8 gasoline engines from Ford’s Bridgend plant but has said it will end the agreement in 2020. Ford has no other customers for the engines and has said it will cut jobs at the factory as it concentrates on its own four-cylinder engines at the plant. JLR will stop purchasing V-6 diesel engines this year from Ford’s engine plant in Dagenham, London."


Jaguar Land Rover debuts straight-six engine in the Range Rover Sport - The San Diego Union-Tribune

If the new Defender doesn't come with the ingenium straight six turbocharged supercharged I will be very surprised.

Considering the facts of what engines will be available then what are other options are there

Exactly - but still really speculation rather than hard information, even if it is informed speculation.

Originally Posted by JDNSW

Exactly - but still really speculation rather than hard information, even if it is informed speculation.

All fun n games

Blackrangie , Land Rover have never made a powerful series/defender and I dont believe they will.

Power to Land Rovers agricultural vehicles has always been adequate. I grew up from early childhood and cut my teeth in them around 5-6 years of age.

I saw them do some astonishing feats out in the bush and no one ever said they needed more power , they were geared properly to work and work they did.

The new generation Defender will also have no need for powerful engines , they too will be geared properly to work.

I may see a shift in the paradigm , but I don't think so.

Think logic , stop fantasising.

For sure. They can't make the Defender too quick as it will take sales of Disco and RR.

Cheers

Originally Posted by ramblingboy42

Blackrangie , Land Rover have never made a powerful series/defender and I dont believe they will.

Power to Land Rovers agricultural vehicles has always been adequate. I grew up from early childhood and cut my teeth in them around 5-6 years of age.

I saw them do some astonishing feats out in the bush and no one ever said they needed more power , they were geared properly to work and work they did.

The new generation Defender will also have no need for powerful engines , they too will be geared properly to work.

I may see a shift in the paradigm , but I don't think so.

Think logic , stop fantasising.

No one disagrees that the original defender was agricultural and geared well to not need a powerfull engine. I see where you are coming from there.

Logically defender increased in power over the years, so much so that in the pumas you could hold it at 110kph through most if not all freeway hills up the east coast.

People appreciate the drivability.

JLR are on record saying they will need a good range of engines for the new defender to be successful in different markets. Logically this will be low to high powered, petrol and diesel. Modern buyers want capability + ability to overtake safely on the freeway etc.

"According to Car magazine, the 2.0-litre four-cylinder petrol and diesel engines commonly used through the Jaguar Land Rover (JLR) range will be available on the new Defender. New 3.0-litre straight-six engines should also be available on more powerful models.

Land Rover is expected to equip models with a 48-volt hybrid system, says Auto Express. A plug-in hybrid system offering more electric range could become available at a later date."

Land Rover Defender 2020: first images, specs, prices and UK release | The Week UK

"Engine options are expected to include four- and six-cylinder petrol and diesel mills, along with hybrid options. Expect the new Land Rover Defender to be fully revealed in 2019, before rolling into showrooms a year later."

SPY PICS: New Land Rover Defender outed - motoring.com.au



200tdi 80kw
V8 defender sold to US
300tdi 83kw
50th anniversary 90 in 1998, equipped with automatic transmission, air conditioning and Range Rover 4.0-litre V8 engine. 140kw
Bmw m52 engine offered in Africa 143kw
Td5 91kw
Puma 91kw
2018 298kw V8 works defender released.


No fantasy mate just logical conclusions, all the automotive reporters seem to agree, happy to be corrected, it just seems to be the general consensus.

It is highly improbable the new defender wont have a range of lower to higher powered engines and tunes, in petrol, diesel and electric.

Lets just hope he keeps his word

Way back in April 2013, Land Rover’s fiery chief designer Gerry McGovern said the new Defender would “…will be incredibly distinctive”.