Thread: All new defender

Originally Posted by Zeros

Toyota’s have great aircon. That’s it. Apart from using a lot more fuel.

Dare I say it? All the 70 series I’ve driven for work over the years have been agricultural, uncomfortable and not as capable compared to my Defenders. They cost a lot more to run too and major components can fail just like all vehicles. The narrow rear track, with the horse and cart springs, is a $10k fix alone. And then you still have leaf springs.

Only one showstopper with my TDI in 320k - seized alternator bearing.
None touch wood for Puma in 92k. ...Replaced/lubed adapter shaft as precaution before it stopped.

Having said all that, if I was in market for a new one, obviously 70 series is all that’s available. Second hand? Plenty of great Defenders with all the fruit being traded on Tojos are available!

Back to ‘all new Defender’, all new D4 by the looks of it. Which makes a 70 series the only real option for a work vehicle.

We’ll see! If Defender is hybrid / EV, HD and cones in a dualcab it will go well against Tojo. If it’s another escapist SUV it won’t be a Defender in my book. And Tojo cones out in front again in the new vehicle stakes and classic Defenders will hold their value.

My Puma has gone up in value since I bought it.

Originally Posted by scarry

Well over 1.5 mill Km in work vans,of one particular brand,still waiting for a show stopper.

What brand,no we won't go there.

If JLR made a van with basically nothing in it, I'm sure it would be relatively reliable to the highace, especially generally speaking with how long lasting LR engines are.
Any company can build vans without showstoppers imo, they are so simple.
Comparing Van's to JLR 4x4s is not really fair imo.

Maybe you picked a good year for your couple of vans however quick search online:

Hiace issues:

AustralianCar.Reviews: #1 for Reviews and Used Car Valuations

Here's an example from link

"Toyota HiAce with 1KD-FTV engine: injector failure
It is not uncommon for the injectors in the 1KD-FTV engine to fail around 120,000 to 140,000 kilometres, though they may fail as early as 75,000 kilometres or last 250,000 kilometres. Symptoms of a failing injector include:

A loud 'knock' noise that is audible when the windows are down, particularly when the engine is cold;
Poor fuel economy;
An erratic or rough idle; and,
Rough running, particularly under load at low engine speeds"

Toyota HiAce H200.I (2005-2010) Reviews - ProductReview.com.au

Pic from link

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On the other hand building a well rounded on/offroad 4x4 that is comfortable, capable, safe and also reliable is something that is extremely difficult as is seen by the many potential showstoppers the tdv8 70series have from the factory.

The point was not to bash other brands or offend rather to point out that the reason people say Yotas are perfect and reliable and trail ready bla bla is because of their marketing saying they are tough and reliable, people believe it without looking at the facts.

All 4x4s need a few things tweaked as no company gets it all right, saying toyota 4x4s are more reliable is a massive stretch when you look at the facts.

Will they get the balance right on the new defender, we hope so, I reckon they will keep most people happy.

Talking of vans, the last Defender's had engines and transmissions from the Ford Transit and Ranger, which are tough and reliable. Transits get flogged to death all over the world. The rest of the Defender is well proven, simple and reliable. Let's get real.

Originally Posted by scarry

Oh well,I suppose that’s why they can’t sell them.

Not just here but all over the world.

In fact if you go to places like East Africa,they are the vehicle of choice for all the safari companies,and many others.

There are literally thousands of them.

Mention a Land Rover to them that’s older than a 200 or 300 TDI,And they just laugh.

Had them,they say,never again.

NGO agencies in Africa had issues with LR going to coils. Made the vehicles too susceptible to poorly trained drivers traveling too fast in rough terrain.
I got that info from a bloke who worked for the UN there for 20 years or so.

Originally Posted by blackrangie

If JLR made a van with basically nothing in it, I'm sure it would be relatively reliable to the highace, especially generally speaking with how long lasting LR engines are.
Any company can build vans without showstoppers imo, they are so simple.
Comparing Van's to JLR 4x4s is not really fair imo.

Maybe you picked a good year for your couple of vans however quick search online:

Hiace issues:

AustralianCar.Reviews: #1 for Reviews and Used Car Valuations

Here's an example from link

"Toyota HiAce with 1KD-FTV engine: injector failure
It is not uncommon for the injectors in the 1KD-FTV engine to fail around 120,000 to 140,000 kilometres, though they may fail as early as 75,000 kilometres or last 250,000 kilometres. Symptoms of a failing injector include:

A loud 'knock' noise that is audible when the windows are down, particularly when the engine is cold;
Poor fuel economy;
An erratic or rough idle; and,
Rough running, particularly under load at low engine speeds"

Toyota HiAce H200.I (2005-2010) Reviews - ProductReview.com.au

Pic from link

........


On the other hand building a well rounded on/offroad 4x4 that is comfortable, capable, safe and also reliable is something that is extremely difficult as is seen by the many potential showstoppers the tdv8 70series have from the factory.

The point was not to bash other brands or offend rather to point out that the reason people say Yotas are perfect and reliable and trail ready bla bla is because of their marketing saying they are tough and reliable, people believe it without looking at the facts.

All 4x4s need a few things tweaked as no company gets it all right, saying toyota 4x4s are more reliable is a massive stretch when you look at the facts.

Will they get the balance right on the new defender, we hope so, I reckon they will keep most people happy.

Its more so peoples own experience,than anything else,IMHO.

My experience is in a previous post,and many say the same,by far the most reliable vehicle i have ever owned.Thats over a 10yr period and millions of K's.

Maybe i am just lucky,or have drivers that look after the vehicles and they are serviced correctly?

Showstoppers from the factory?Sure you have the brand and type of vehicle correct?

Maybe we will have a look at a few LR issues,online,if you want to compare.....

Or maybe some of those vehicle surveys?

Better not go there

We could go on and on,but you are correct,nothing is perfect and 100% reliable,and every vehicle is a compromise in one way or the other.

Some are just more of a compromise than others.

I think the new deefer will suit some,but as a remote area tourer,maybe not,it will no doubt be full of electronics,and complicated,same as LR's other current offerings.And the lack of dealers in regional areas will put buyers off.Too far to go even for a service or a small warranty issue.

Time will tell,but no doubt the unreliable,low volume, 70 series will soldier on,as it does all over the world,with all its faults,archaic design,leaf springs,and thirst..

And its shocking resale,as no one wants one,and,in Aus,if bought new, 5yr,unlimited KM warranty for private buyers,160 000km for company vehicles.

Anyway, its all guesswork,lets see what LR come up with.

Originally Posted by DiscoMick

Talking of vans, the last Defender's had engines and transmissions from the Ford Transit and Ranger, which are tough and reliable. Transits get flogged to death all over the world. The rest of the Defender is well proven, simple and reliable. Let's get real.

Mate of mine had 2 replacement engines in his 2015 transit in under 50kkm from new, ended up trading it in as it was a bloody nightmare.

Originally Posted by Vern

Mate of mine had 2 replacement engines in his 2015 transit in under 50kkm from new, ended up trading it in as it was a bloody nightmare.

We have 2 at work and they are flogged to death by any one and every one and they just amaze me at their toughness and reliability honestly .

I know one of them i have had 2 tonne in it a couple of times and the thing just laps it up

Not having a go but we all hear these horror story`s of a mate of a mate that owned one .

Yes there are the odd ones in any brand that are lemons which we all hear about .

We also need to hear the positive sides as well to help even the negative`s out

Originally Posted by rangieman

We have 2 at work and they are flogged to death by any one and every one and they just amaze me at their toughness and reliability honestly .
I know one of them i have had 2 tonne in it a couple of times and the thing just laps it up
Not having a go but we all hear these horror story`s of a mate of a mate that owned one .
Yes there are the odd ones in any brand that are lemons which we all hear about .
We also need to hear the positive sides as well to help even the negative`s out

Like the mate of mine that had continual issues with a VW van,hated the thing.
Continual overheating and going into limp mode was the usual issues.

After quite a few years,he took it to an Indi,and found out the idiots at the dealer had fitted a rad made for the smaller engine.
That rad had been in there for years.
So it wasn't VW at all,it was the incompetent dealer that caused the issue.