Thread: Central tyre inflation maybe?

Originally Posted by blackrangie

I think ill just stick to facts

Are you suggesting that I’m lying?

Originally Posted by Red90

Are you suggesting that I’m lying?

Im suggesting facts are facts an average of 3 recalls per year compared to 2. As stated previously this is usually what reliability ratings are based off. Which your original argument was.. Land Rover has one of the worst reliability ratings.

I would argue that hey Range Rover vogue gives the driver 10 times more car than a 200 series so one more recall per year is quite reasonable.

Ive also read on this forum from a member that has a Toyota mechanic friend that says that Toyotas are just as unreliable as any other car, it's all in the marketing, but again that statement is not a fact.

The general consensus on this forum is that Electronics in Land Rovers have come a long way over the years and are much more reliable now then they have ever been.

Having extra features in the early p38's was a nightmare for some however many lessons have been learnt over the years in the automotive industry and at Land Rover and having extra features now is not the Nightmare at used to be.

I had a conversation with someone with a Discovery 4 just yesterday that had it from new, he just traded it for a 200 series cruiser. I said why did you trade in: he said well it's out of warranty and the repairs are going to cost a lot coming up soon. I said in the 5 years that you've had it how many times did it break down and leave you on the side of the road: he said and I quote "not once". I said was it maintained perfectly he said "yes" not by Land Rover.

The new defender will be technologically advanced however that seems to be the new norm for safe Suvs, the reliability of the whole car and the electronics and general will stand to be tested.. however as we have seen in recent years Land Rover put a huge emphasis in real world testing which for me is a massive positive as they don't leave the testing up to the public like many manufacturers..

You really like to hear yourself talk. Land Rover is near the bottom of the reliability rating world wide by every rating organization. It has nothing to do with recalls.

They are unreliable. These are the facts.

" however as we have seen in recent years Land Rover put a huge emphasis in real world testing which for me is a massive positive as they don't leave the testing up to the public like many manufacturers.."

They did a fantastic job with the release of the very first D3's.

A test was organised in East Africa,to showcase the new range of vehicles to the dealers and public.
Every one of them broke down.
Not a great start.....,so much for their real world testing

I have never seen any type of reliability survey where an LR product has not been near the bottom,seems to be pretty consistent.
And those surveys include many other European highly complicated vehicles,which are often near the top of the reliability list.

Originally Posted by Red90

You really like to hear yourself talk. Land Rover is near the bottom of the reliability rating world wide by every rating organization. It has nothing to do with recalls.

They are unreliable. These are the facts.

Mate, lets keep this about the cars, when someone starts using insults they have already lost the argument.

Recalls are used by ratings organizations.

Originally Posted by scarry

" however as we have seen in recent years Land Rover put a huge emphasis in real world testing which for me is a massive positive as they don't leave the testing up to the public like many manufacturers.."

They did a fantastic job with the release of the very first D3's.

A test was organised in East Africa,to showcase the new range of vehicles to the dealers and public.
Every one of them broke down.
Not a great start.....,so much for their real world testing

I have never seen any type of reliability survey where an LR product has not been near the bottom,seems to be pretty consistent.
And those surveys include many other European highly complicated vehicles,which are often near the top of the reliability list.

Mate, the D3 was released 14 years ago!

Much has changed in the last 14years, infact much has changed in the last few!

Discovery won 4x4 of the year how many times in a year, in one of the harshest countries in the world?

Originally Posted by Red90

You really like to hear yourself talk. Land Rover is near the bottom of the reliability rating world wide by every rating organization. It has nothing to do with recalls.

They are unreliable. These are the facts.

If they are so unreliable maybe you should be on on toyota forum, telling all your toyota mates how reliable toyota tells you toyotas are.

Saying LR's are unreliable is a generalization to say the least, there have been many reliable lr models, i would say most defenders, discoverys and most of the new model land rovers are quite reliable,

However i would say 1995-1998 p38s horrendously unreliable and where most of the Land Rovers are unreliable talk came from.

2018 Land Rovers are world's apart from a 1998 Range Rover p38..20 years of extra knowledge and experience of the combined auto industry has gone into these new cars.

I would I jump in a 2018 Range Rover and point it anywhere in Australia right now...yes.. same be said about a 1998 Range Rover...no.

My point is that Electronics in cars and Land Rovers have come a long way and it seems some people in the Land Rover world are stuck in p38 style Electronics the devil mentality.

Just a taste of the testing in real-world conditions that Land Rover do before we get our cars, the d5 jumping surprised me!

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I would only imagine that since we've had a such a massive wait for the new defender it would be getting even more testing in more scenarios

Originally Posted by blackrangie

They are based on recalls per year usually, i think for such a complicated car 3 free recalls during a year is not to bad, usually carried out during service.

Toyota Land Cruiser Recalls by Year - Toyota Problems

Says over 2x per year for cruiser.

I remember reading its around 3x for the new vogue, pretty fair considering how much more car you get.

200 Cruiser has suffered from engines using oil, dirt in engine via airbox leading to limp mode, cv joints clunking. They are also very expensive when things need replacing Why I SOLD my 200 Series Twin Turbo Diesel !

Don't follow how recalls can be used to measure reliability. Most recalls are mass upgrades of parts following a small number of failures. Most of the parts replaced, usually at scheduled services, had not actually failed, but were replaced as a precaution before they failed. An example is the airbag recalls. Most of the airbags replaced had not failed, but were replaced during regular services. So if the part had not failed, how can that reveal reliability?