Thread: Will be Retro

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Originally Posted by blackrangie

He is saying exactly what he is saying

Its not fair to twist someone's comments beyond what they are.

I didn’t twist anything - the article states that D4 owners weren’t buying the D5 and ascribed that to, variously, the shape of the vehicle and a supposed move up market.

The comment about people looking for a more utilitarian vehicle is pretty much an admission that the D5 is impractical - which, compared to the D4, it is.

In relation to the supposed move up market, first, unlike what the article says D4s never were “hose out” propositions and were always expensive, even the TDV6s - most of the D4s I see are HSEs or heavily optioned TDV6s that are not being used off-road or trashed, and second, the people I know who own them are more than wealthy enough to buy the D5s. And it’s odd to argue you’ve moved upmarket when they were also separately claiming that the entry price for the D5 was under $70k.

But I guess it’s easier to make those excuses than to admit that their designers stuffed up by failing to incorporate into the D5 the distinctive features of the D4.

And no-one is going to cross-shop a Prado with a Defender - if LR think so then they’re badly deluded. People pay a premium for Toyota reliability - someone like that isn’t going to buy a Land Rover.

Originally Posted by Arapiles

I didn’t twist anything - the article states that D4 owners weren’t buying the D5 and ascribed that to, variously, the shape of the vehicle and a supposed move up market.

The comment about people looking for a more utilitarian vehicle is pretty much an admission that the D5 is impractical - which, compared to the D5, it is.

In relation to the supposed move up market, first, unlike what the article says D4s never were “hose out” propositions and were always expensive, even the TDV6s - most of the D4s I see are HSEs or heavily optioned TDV6s that are not being used off-road or trashed, and second, the people I know who own them are more than wealthy enough to buy the D5s. And it’s odd to argue you’ve moved upmarket when they were also separately claiming that the entry price for the D5 was under $70k.

But I guess it’s easier to make those excuses than to admit that their designers stuffed up by failing to incorporate into the D5 the distinctive features of the D4.

And no-one is going to cross-shop a Prado with a Defender - if LR think so then they’re badly deluded. People pay a premium for Toyota reliability - someone like that isn’t going to buy a Land Rover.

Not trying to be a pain here, I think when someones on record, they are usually careful with what they say so it shouldn't be modified.

The direct quote is as follows:

"Many people have bought Discovery Vs, but some others are waiting for something that is square design and utilitarian."

To be fair, he doesn't say d4 owners were not buying the D5.

He says lots have, some were not and holding out for something that has square design and utilitarian

When you compare sales figures from D4 days with sales figures of D5 now, its a fair comment, D5 is selling well but not as well as the D4 in AU.

As far as the D5 bring impractical 200+ odd Australians per month would disagree as would the plethora of worldwide automotive reporters that have named it 4x4 of the year etc since its introduction over 2.5 years ago.

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Imo sales are starting to pick up now as people are starting to warm to its looks and realize its potential.

For me, I fall into the category he mentioned, waiting for something that has square design and utilitarian coming from a RRC.

The D5 has moved upmarket, LR have said it on record, and its obvious when you sit in one, its much closer to the Range Rover now esoecislly in high end spec, 70k entry is not cheap, most models in the showroom are mid 100-150.

The move upmarket was calculated, with the defender moving lightyears ahead in one leap, the D5 had to be moved closer to the Range Rover. LR are on record many times saying the whole lineup will make sense when the defender is revealed, so I guess we will see.

I think you will be surprised with the conquest sales from Toyota, be it the prado or 200. Not sure if you have seen a prado or a cruiser in standard form, but they are not amazing looking imo. And there are toones of Australians really not happy with Toyota at the moment. Class actions, reliability issues & not fixing fundamental issues. Having said that i respect Toyota and they have some great cars, I just don't buy into their reliability marketing, its far from the truth at the moment.

Time will tell but imo Toyota customers are ripe for the picking if Landrover nail the styling. A bit like when apple had the market and Samsung came along with functional good looking phones lots of apple customers jumped ship even though apple was more polished, reputable and seemingly reliable.

This video just got released, probably the best one yet, looks tough!

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Some of my fav bits in screenshots, who does weights, how much is on the swb roof?

Lookks like they are recognising that owners are going to put silly weights on the roof rack!

Originally Posted by JDNSW

Lookks like they are recognising that owners are going to put silly weights on the roof rack!

Only silly if it upsets the Apple cart!

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The way they are driving it will attract Raptor buyers at least.

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