Will be Retro

**blackrangie** · 29th August 2019, 06:39 AM

Originally Posted by Melbourne Park

"Stronger" doesn't really describe the differences does it ... for torsional rigidity a monocoque is the cheapest way to get there, for sure. And for a given level of torsional rigidity, its lighter too, and much cheaper to build, plus it crushes better in a crash. Plus you can roll the floor pan into all sorts of different vehicles, the new Defender being a typical example of what contemporary cost accountants have decreed. Towing though with a chassis sees the stresses by pass the "cabin" which is not subjected to the tow weight strains.

If a chassis Defender had of been developed, street wise it would have been worse than this new monocoque one will be. And R&D cost would have been many many many times greater, because it would have been new. And IMO a version of the D3/4 concept would have been very heavy which is not a Defender hallmark and also costly. Rather than a conversion of current floorpans into something more off-road and evidently tougher.

It's great they've created a new "Defender". And they aren't making X5s or Audi Porsches etc. ie just essentially good handling softroaders. LR are differentiated and that differentiation goes back to their core off road heritage. While I'd have liked a chassis in the new "Defender", the cost of capital for developing a new chassis platform would have provided a much lower return than using that capital for other JLR projects that are coming. So doing a chassis Defender might have wrecked the company. We've got to be happy that they did something and who knows whether for me it will provide a tow option, or something that 3rd parties will want to develop off road gear for. And I note that ARB don't seem to list gear for the current Discovery models.

Adding to this, I saw a comment on a US forum saying that he knew that 2 well known aftermarket companies have had the plans for some time, we also know lucky 8 have seen the engine bay and are on record as being fully committed to the new defender, spoken to J.Austin Fab he is also going to be doing a variety of lifts. ARB, I have spoken to someone there, whilst nothing was confirmed, he would be surprised if they didn't get the first one off the boat.

D5 only been out for 2.5 ish years,as mentioned before you can now get everything from a winch bull bar, or winch mounts to proper sliders, multiple roof racks, RWC, Long range tank, proper rear storage systems with fridge slide etc, 18s and even a 6 inch lift kit.

Cant wait to see what the AU and US aftermarket comes up with for the New Defender.

Having said that, its interesting that it looks like it will not need anywere near the level of aftermarket modifying as most vehicles do to do a big lap, especially when taking into account what's going to be available from factory that's been spotted on pilots.

**blackrangie** · 29th August 2019, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by blackrangie

From another forum

August 28th @ 7PM EST – Press release with image & link to video will be released and available via GRMS
 September 5th – Tease video & Images released via social channels
 September 7th – Tease video & Images released via social channels
 September 9th – Tease video & Images released via social channels
 September 10th – Global Reveal at Frankfurt Auto Show!
o Live feed at 4am EST; a link will be available to watch post reveal
o CRM communications to Defender hand raisers and current Land Rover owners announcing reveal (Sept 9th and 10th)
o Ordering guide will be available
o Vista Ordering Opens
o Defender Page Live on LandRoverUSA.com
o Vehicle Configurator Live on LandRoverUSA.com
o E-Brochure Live on LandRoverUSA.com & GRMS

1hr to go if this is legit?

**djambalawa** · 29th August 2019, 07:42 AM

Originally Posted by blackrangie

1hr to go if this is legit?

I googled GRMS but assume the Global Red Meat Standard folks aren't the ones doing the press release? Ah googling grms and landrover got it..

So dealer etc system it seems.. might be some leaks hopefully!

**Melbourne Park** · 29th August 2019, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by AK83

Errr.. dunno about this.
I reckon there's enough Triton owners here in Aus that will debate that claim!

A google search for cracked chassis will reveal many ladder frame chassis cracking events, very few monoque cracking hits tho.

A monocoque design will be stronger for a given body weight every time compared to a ladder frame.
And the ladder frame design will make it cheaper to build variant bodies for the manufacturer.

Yeh I recall an off road Australian publication relished the bent chassis of a Defender that was towing outback. And in the USA lots of chassis issues often due to lack of salt removal. But then for towing, in the USA they mostly prefer a chassis vehicle for towing.

Come to think of it, so do Australians. This is what caravansales has to say -

The best tow vehicles are big and heavy, so not always great as daily runabouts
A tow rating well above the van's loaded weight is preferable
Tow ball mass rating needs to be sufficient too, and remain so even when the tow vehicle is loaded up
Ideally the tow vehicle should weigh as much if not more than the trailer
Ladder frame chassis is generally preferable to a monocoque construction
Diesel engines offer better overall performance and fuel efficiency when towing

**blackrangie** · 29th August 2019, 08:53 AM

Someone on another forum found this!

Short but on on big screen with sound and 1080p

YouTube

Im guessing its this one

**Chops** · 29th August 2019, 09:22 AM

I think some of us are forgetting why the “old Defender “ was stopped. Something to do with safety standards if I recall correctly.
I’m guessing ladder chassis is not as safe as monocoque.

**blackrangie** · 29th August 2019, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by Chops

I think some of us are forgetting why the “old Defender “ was stopped. Something to do with safety standards if I recall correctly.
I’m guessing ladder chassis is not as safe as monocoque.

Pretty much, the main reason i think was emissions laws in EU from 2020 but safety is also a large part for fleet sales and US sales etc i would say.

**blackrangie** · 29th August 2019, 09:31 AM

NEW LAND ROVER DEFENDER EXPEDITION 001: FROM THE CENTRE OF THE EARTH TO ITS WORLD PREMIERE AT THE FRANKFURT MOTOR SHOW | Land Rover

THE NEW LAND ROVER DEFENDER EXPEDITION 001: FROM THE CENTER OF THE EARTH TO ITS WORLD PREMIERE AT THE FRANKFURT MOTOR SHOW

The New Land Rover Defender begins first overland expedition in the remote Valley of the Castles on the Kazakhstan / China border
 Global debut: The New Land Rover Defender will make its world premiere at the Frankfurt Motor Show, at 4:00 AM EDT (09:00 BST/10:00 CEST) on Tuesday, September 10
 First glimpse: The New Defender tackles remote Valley of the Castles, Kazakhstan, on its first expedition en route to Frankfurt, Germany
 Livestream: Watch the reveal of the New Defender from 4:00 AM EDT (09:00 BST/10:00 CEST) on the Land Rover brand’s YouTube and Facebook pages
 Defender in action: See the New Defender begin the journey to its reveal here: [MEDIA=youtube]cSFCjBfKj4g[/MEDIA]

(MAHWAH, NJ) - August 28, 2019 - Land Rover has given a first glimpse of the New Defender ahead of its world premiere at the Frankfurt Motor Show on September 10.
The road to reveal for the Land Rover brand’s most capable and durable 4x4 started in one of the most land-locked locations on earth, among the towering nearly (1,000 ft) 300m canyons of the Valley of the Castles in the remote Charyn Canyon, Kazakhstan.
Across seven decades of pioneering innovation, Land Rover vehicles have earned a unique place in the hearts of explorers, humanitarian agencies and adventurous families across the world. Proven in the harshest environments on earth, the New Defender maintains this bloodline.
Beside the peerless luxury and refinement of the Range Rover family and the highly capable and versatile Discovery SUVs, the New Defender completes the Land Rover dynasty.
Driven by a passion and respect for the original, the New Defender delivers transformational breadth of capability and advanced all-terrain technologies to redefine adventure for the 21st century, while remaining true to the pioneering spirit that has been a Land Rover hallmark for 71 years.

Useful links
 See the New Defender on its way to Frankfurt here: [MEDIA=youtube]cSFCjBfKj4g[/MEDIA]
 Tune into the Land Rover brand’s YouTube and Facebook channels to watch the global reveal of the New Land Rover Defender at 4:00 AM EDT (09:00 BST/10:00 CEST) on September 10.
 Register your interest at: www.landroverusa.com/defender/index.html

**blackrangie** · 29th August 2019, 09:39 AM

So reveal being 9:50am Thursday CEST time is:

5:50pm Thursday 10/09/2019 Australian (GMT+10) time.

In Cal.

**SBD4** · 29th August 2019, 09:50 AM

The road to reveal for the Land Rover brand’s most capable and durable 4x4 started in one of the most land-locked locations on earth, among the towering nearly (1,000 ft) 300m canyons of the Valley of the Castles in the remote Charyn Canyon, Kazakhstan.

Very clever if they do use that particular Defender unwashed as the reveal car after travelling from there to Frankfurt (if that is what they are doing). I assume it is, based on the "Expedition 001" reference.

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