The New Defender

Tell me that is the rear luggage space on a 90

Or that it’s a camera trickery

That looks tiny for a

“lifestyle vehicle”

Would struggle to fit a kitesurfing setup in the back of that!

Oh and Manic - I completely agree - so much electrickery for a bit of ricer boy extra boost before the turbo spools - seems like they are merely testing the whole concept of Hybrid without actually going whole hog and installing an electric motor anywhere - oh im sure the already heavy 2.4T or whatever it is meant they needed to contain weight somewhat.... an extra 100kg of elec motor and controllers would have Hurt Overall fuel burn



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Originally Posted by roverrescue

Tell me that is the rear luggage space on a 90

Or that it’s a camera trickery

That looks tiny for a

“lifestyle vehicle”

Would struggle to fit a kitesurfing setup in the back of that!

Oh and Manic - I completely agree - so much electrickery for a bit of ricer boy extra boost before the turbo spools - seems like they are merely testing the whole concept of Hybrid without actually going whole hog and installing an electric motor anywhere - oh im sure the already heavy 2.4T or whatever it is meant they needed to contain weight somewhat.... an extra 100kg of elec motor and controllers would have Hurt Overall fuel burn



S

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Maybe just camera angle...

D110 has 1075 litres of space with 2nd row seats up, 2380 with the flat. By comparison the Disco5 has 1137 and 2406 respectively .. so the D110 is slightly smaller than the D5 ...

Just thinking.. the below are things that the new defender comes with that will cost extra on any other car?

1. Clearance/suspension - basically on every other 4wd if you want to make it a capable 4wd tourer you'll want to get a 2" lift with better shockies/springs... for thing like clearance and towing... fair call? Worth maybe $2k for an OME type setup? You don't need this with the air suspenson.
2. A/T tyres as an option - so we're not paying for road tyres and then having to swap them? Again you don't want road tyres on the central arnhem road i just did etc. Performance is the least of your concerns - its just being able to last a trip. Might be worth $500?
3. Headlights - I find with my discos etc the headlights on high beam are excellent - you dont really need spotties unless you're wanting to drive at 130kmh at night... any other 4wd i've driven has crappy factory high beam.. but i'm sure some must be ok.. spotties can be easily worth $800 fitted?
4. Rust prevention - the oil leaks do a cover over the underbody that.. ok I'm running out of idea..

Any legitimacy in this? Worth maybe $3k?

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Originally Posted by Rob66

Without the MHEV unit the boot has an under-floor "box" ..
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Ok so you can get + 2 3rd row seats on both engines, and they still fold into floor so would not the MHEV not still have space were seats usually fold into, just not space were MHEV gear sits?

Then you will probably want to spend that and a little bit more to get (if I was buying I would spec these);
- active rear diff (Off-Road pack $1448)
- ATPC + Terrain response 2 + Config TR (Advanced Off-road Capability Pack $2210 )
- tow hitch receiver ($949)
- driver assist pack ($2086)

total $6693 plus LCT.

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Originally Posted by blackrangie

Ok so you can get + 2 3rd row seats on both engines, and they still fold into floor so would not the MHEV not still have space were seats usually fold into, just not space were MHEV gear sits?

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Mate .. I'm not a LR dealer but that's a pic I took in Frankfurt. The dumpkoff there told me the hybrid gear goes in that space .. but maybe he was spinning a tall one and thought I was a stupid engelander ;)

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Originally Posted by roverrescue

Need some sort of breather to help with air changing over temperature change
Liths done necessarily vent gas like a lead acid but they need to breathe to keep cool

Temperature control is just as important as charge control

Just ask Boeing !!!!

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Yes, I guess what I was saying is that they're now stored inside the vehicle, at the rear, so the breather you were asking about is not going to be part of the wading depth mitigation (if it exists at all).

And Sean that was my point
Have they put heat breathing at 902mm say up the C/D pillar
Thereby maintaining 900mm wading depth but say you
Get in a SHTF moment in Nolan’s and the back corner dips to 1m plus and a gut full of creek gushes down into the brainology of Lithium charge control .....


You see I don’t drink JLR coolaide and I’ve seen what their engineers have done over the years for things like this despite all the rhetoric about how life changingly awesome it is when push comes to shove the breather maybe just meets wading depth and not a centimetre more....

Equals trouble


900mm wading while moving over a concrete causeway is a doddle
Getting bogged in 900 deep sandy creek and having to winch out over say 10minutes with dips and bumps will really test out this sort of system.


And the reality is that it is a lot of electricery for very very little benefit .... at most a few seconds of turbo lag on hard acceleration will be improved - whoop-de-fecking doo.
It’s a shame because the P300 petrol alone without the sparks would be a better choice than the diesos in my opinion ?



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Originally Posted by Rob66

Mate .. I'm not a LR dealer but that's a pic I took in Frankfurt. The dumpkoff there told me the hybrid gear goes in that space .. but maybe he was spinning a tall one and thought I was a stupid engelander ;)

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I agree with you but obviously there is space for the seats above the mild hybrid gear.

BR
Do the third row seats fold to floor or to the sides ?
If to the floor are they then flat with the 2nd row folded?
If flat - there can’t be too much rear leg room (depth of seat squab only)

Gee it will be nice when this thing is finally in the wild!!!

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