I must admit I've looked at my MY14 D4 differently recently. Nice decent capacity motor, comfortable and certainly capable enough. Might be holding on to it a fair bit longer yet. Either that or buying a Perentie and modding from there....
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I must admit I've looked at my MY14 D4 differently recently. Nice decent capacity motor, comfortable and certainly capable enough. Might be holding on to it a fair bit longer yet. Either that or buying a Perentie and modding from there....
My interest would be in a version for over landing, towing our camper. While the 110 might do, looks like I would really need a 130 for the extra space.
So I would want:
2.0 diesel - higher powered version
Rear diff lock
18 inch wheels with AT LTs
Front bar with winch
Underbody protection
Towing kit
Flat roof rack for mounting a solar panel
Basic interior - nothing flash.
Dual battery setup
Largest possible fuel tank
Privacy tinting
Luggage barrier
Many of the listed options don't interest me.
Wonder what that would cost?
I'd say they where just pushing the limits hard - tyres move around more than you thinkQuote:
Originally Posted by SBD4
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And more space in the back. [bigsmile]Quote:
Originally Posted by cjc_td5
I'd be hanging on to it too. While its always nice to have something new and shiny and there's a lot to like about the new Defender, I think the D4 is looking like a better all round proposition as a touring vehicle - certainly better value. Sure, it's running costs will go up over the next 5 years, but you'll still be ahead on depreciation etc.
Cheers,
Jon
No,we will have to agree to disagree [biggrin]Quote:
Originally Posted by blackrangie
Range is a huge variable,with these types of vehicles,particularly doing what they are designed to do,off roading and towing,often fully loaded,and at other times running unloaded,around town,or whatever.
But I am sure many would agree for general touring,off roading,towing,something like a usable of 130 litres would be fine,at least,many would like 180.
Anyway,each to their own,but for what we do a larger tank(100 to 130litres as an example)would be very convenient,and as I have said before it’s not just point to point travel.
In fact I noticed a huge difference going from the D2 that I could squeeze 95 litres into,to the D4,which has a usable of around 76.Fuel usage for the two vehicles is similar.
With the new Defender I recon the aftermarket guys will be onto this issue pretty quickly and have aftermarket tanks available.Hopefully it’s not to difficult to do.
At 1:43 they have a wheel dangling in the air, but they cut to an aerial shot then back to a point further up the hill, so you don't see it recover from the wheel dangling.... maybe they had a whooops moment?Quote:
Originally Posted by blackrangie
Here we go "bare bones" defender price on the road.
Bare Bones in Australia is certainly not Bare Bones with things like keyless entry, air suspension, offriad tyres, tpms,semi powered front sests, cruise, 360 degree cameras etc.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...3f8288e85c.jpg
Nice run sheet BR
$80k is not terrible at all
Is that 5,6 or 7 seats?
Now I’ve been chasing luggage space dimensions
Best I can determine is;
The new Defisco in 5/6 seat config is 1075L
198x-2015 110 Defender 5 seat config was 1380L
I really think the luggage space and fuel capacity will be big ticks against this as a family / touring wagon (that D200 pushing 3.3T trip load ain’t gonna be efficient which ever way you cut)
Steve
...so, what happened to $70k for the base model? Now it’s $80k?Quote:
Originally Posted by blackrangie
If they release a commercial 130 at $70-80k with enough options included it will walk out the door. If it’s $100k+ Like Gwagen it will flop.
Having no utilitarian model Defender at a reasonable price point - will kill it in Australia. At $80k+ with luxury car tax at $65k, this also makes a nonsense of Defender as a utilitarian vehicle.
...there are rumours that LCT might be abolished, which would make a difference...maybe by the time the 130 is released.
...and how about this for a bold prediction [bigwhistle] ...by 2025 instead of LCT there will be an incentive payment to all new vehicle buyers of EV’s and PHEV’s.
I’m waiting for the 130 PHEV / EV. Until then I see no reason to upgrade from my awesome classic Defender.
...and it’s very interesting to hear discussion now after the fervour of the new Defender launch, that a D4 is still a better value proposition. I would agree. A classic Defender second hand for $50k is too IMO.
A new 110 would be nice, but at $100k with a few basic options like T2 and accessories, it will be out of most people’s reach. The big winners in the utilitarian 4x4 sector will continue to be the $50k dual cab utes.
Land Rovers line-up of 100% luxury SUV wagons over $80k is very strange in a diverse world.
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Originally Posted by blackrangie
Excellent! This is the last piece of the puzzle I needed to be able to work out the full drive away RRP for any specification.
This puts a 110 SE P400 with no options what so ever at $115,510 drive away (+0/-100 due to rego/CTP fluctuations).
And a 110 HSE P400 again with no options at $125,819 drive away (+0/-100)
It will be fairly difficult squeezing too much of a discount out of the stealer for such a new release but under the right conditions I think you should be able to negotiate a 10% to 15% discount, that would put the SE above at ~$102,000 and the HSE at ~$111,700 for a 10% discount - depending on where you apply the discount.
Of course if you were interested in a moderately spec'd HSE (the only variant with Matrix LED's) including the rear locker, tow pack, HUD and privacy glass, you'd be up for $130,551 RRP drive away - that is a lot of coin!