Master
SubscriberIt's not looking good is it - if you read the posts on the UK/Defender2 forum, there are lots of little niggling issues with the 110 - door rattles, windscreen noise, leaks, electronics, etc.
All those millions of kilometres of testing they did...
cheers
Lucas
Swaggie
Nothing new there.
Have a look at the number of D5 issues,on forums.
Sure some are small,but it’s the number of silly issues which is concerning,many unresolved.
No wonder they are sticking to a 3 year warranty in Aus,when other manufacturers are offering 5 and 7 yr plans.
Seems other manufacturers are light years ahead with reducing these types of issues,and have been for many years.
ChatterBox
Subscriber....so it is a real Defender after all.Originally Posted by irondoc
Swaggie
....so it is a real Defender after all.
Wizard
SubscriberDidn't they say there would be links to the past?....so it is a real Defender after all.
There is no eraser on the pencil of life.
Now - Not a Land Rover (2018 Dmax)
Was - 2008 D3 SE 4.0l V6
Was - 2000 D2 TD5 with much fruit.
Ray
Super Moderator & CA manager
SubscriberProbably not what they had in mind, but at least they are telling the truth.
If you need to contact me please email homestarrunnerau@gmail.com - thanks - Gav.
Major part of the heart and soul of AULRO.comI thought you were referring to its looks and I was about to agree with you.
Maybe it will be better in the flesh.
Ron B.
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2003 L322 Range Rover Vogue 4.4 V8 Auto
2007 Yamaha XJR1300
Previous: 1983, 1986 RRC; 1995, 1996 P38A; 1995 Disco1; 1984 V8 County 110; Series IIA
RIP Bucko - Riding on Forever
Master
SubscriberWhilst the Defender2 is a great forum, the new Defender section lost all credibility in my view. Bit like a 25 year old doing a 15min road tests of a new RR and giving his 'opinion'.....
There are a few owners who received theirs but a few fun facts about some of the major contributors on there:
One user signed up over 3y ago and all of his posts are negative DC100/L663 ones.
One has several thousands of posts, most with topics like word association and no a single constructive one (and I am talking the old Defender btw).
One of the harshest criticiser has his Defender classed road use only....but knows everything offroad and durability.
The pattern just goes on.
Niggles? Sure there are and there will be, but most comments are from people who never will have one, nor a Grenadier or G-wagon (actually nothing new unless in 1:43), despite being such smart marketing analysts. m
Master
i have been a member of Martin's LR forums for 13 years (rrsport.co.uk/Disco3), and i must admit the defender2 new defender
sub group has a lot of bitter "its a pretender" traditionalist types on there. Even if you post articles from the media on why
the new defender is good, or whether the grenadier could be a very expensive play thing and not the sub 35K GBP utility they all
prayed for derives scorn from a number of "contributors"
I am glad to say a few more owners are now turning up and the level of "vitriol" is starting to dissipate ..
What is sad is that that forum is being discussed on social media groups and not favourably, so driving potential
owners and traffic away .. which is a pity, as Martin runs some very good LR online sites
Wizard
SupporterI too inhabit Defender2 and I agree that the section dealing with the new Defender did get a little fractious at times. Whereas I freely admit that the new Defender is not for me I enjoy reading about owner's experiences of their new vehicles. I don't call it a "PRETENDER", it is just a vehicle JLR decided to issue to replace one they discontinued. You like it you buy it, if you don't you won't buy it.
Reading posts on the car, the amount of technology included in it is frightening. Before I bought my Puma in 2008, I came on here to find out what you lot thought about it in Australia. I was driving a 200 tdi (still have it) and I wanted to see how the new vehicle stood up to your conditions. Well results in the most part were favourable so I bought one. (I have two now, there's an endorsement if there ever was one). To me at the time the potential step up to the Puma was a journey into the unknown technology wise. Heck it even had electric windows and central locking which was new to me.
I found the Puma to be a revalation. Wonderful and relaxed to drive, quiet on the road, great seats and good on the bumpy stuff as well. I did not think it was possible to do this to a Defender and keep it a "DEFENDER".
Well JLR seems to have taken the Defender to places I never thought it would go. They want it to appeal to more people, but the market they aspire to consists of people who will not tolerate the bad quality control that seems inherent in the vehicle. Simple things like ill fitting trim and leaking windows. These have been fitted to cars for years past and there is no exscuse for simple stuff like this not fitting correctly. Makes you wonder about the rest of the more complicated stuff in the vehicle.
When I bought my turbo diesel 90 new in 1990 I got a "one year comprehensive warranty" with it. With the Puma I got a THREE YEAR warranty which I thought was great! Seems the new Defender still comes with a three year warranty which is poor by industry standards especially when you realise how complicated it is.
If the new vehicle appeals to you and you buy one I hope you enjoy it for years to come. I mean we all get along with Range Rover owners, Discovery owners, Freelander owners so why not with new Defender owners. The world and this forum (and Defender2) are big enough for us all.
Before I go I admit that our traditional Defenders are not without fault (hard to believe I know) but I take solace in the fact that they are probably easier and cheaper to rectify than the other vehicles mentioned above...
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