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    Quote Originally Posted by ozscott View Post
    Let's not raise reliability when comparing the modern crop of Thai built utes to LR mate. I am a Land Rover tragic but it is enlightening to own a well made dual cab ute and to compare first hand. As for breaking CV' all IFS IRS vehicles can do so and D3/4 are not immune. All independent suspension is a compromise offroad, so the DC utes in retaining a rear beam set up is of considerable benefit especially when heavily laden offroad.

    When you say cost more new you mean 2 to 3 times more. And there is a large and growing number of people looking for less complexity, not paying more money for more complexity.

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    PS I am not and won't be without at least 1 if not 2 LRs but mine are all beam axle and that won't change.
    Agree re the complexity view...and it costing jobs in fabrication..already is due to eg collision avoidance systems...360deg cameras....multiple air bags etc. My boys are collecting older Patrols to avoid high tech. At least that's their excuse🤣

    2 to 3 times the cost...mmm..new lux etc are approaching 70 plus and still with basic stuff eg drum brakes..leafies ..noisy engines etc. At least interiors have improved and handling is much better nowadays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozscott View Post
    Keen to see what he makes of it. I think he will like it.

    In the meantime, Mitsubishi is offering a 10 year, 200,000klm warranty on new Tritons with 10 year 150,000 capped price services (provided that you get it serviced at Mitsu dealerships). I understand this still has to pass the ACCC but at the very least demonstrates a high level of confidence in their product (and for me under a 7 years, 150,000k warranty - and servicing at Mitsu, I would have a good claim for warranty recognition out to 10 years and 200,000klm - ie on the basis that they have set the benchmark for the minimum expected lifespan off the product without failures).

    Land Rover are being left further behind this area - and its a big area.

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    Obligatory servicing at Mitso would be a constraint of trade I suspect.

    Otherwise it does show what consumers are looking for in these days of dodgy diesels and mysterious electronics!

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    The problem with extended warranties on relatively low volume sales is JLR would have to build this into the price.

    It would certainly be an incentive to make the vehicles more reliable to start with, but I bet they would increase the amount of servicing required given they now carry the risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INter674 View Post
    Ronny is usually straight up and down on reviews so looking forward to his view. But.....like the other 4wd Youtubers it's no good to him cause it's not main stream and not in the high build/mod arena ..so no value in content creation. Hence the new Hilux.

    Btw..sil said the new Dmax and BT50 clone can't be fitted with ladder racks due to the collision avoidance sensors going off. As fabricators they are facing diminishing returns with many modern vehicles due to safety tech unable to be turned off or removed Test Drive
    Just need to think outside the box on rack design.

    Easily built to not be mounted forward - which is against ADRs unless an exemption has been granted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoDB View Post
    The problem with extended warranties on relatively low volume sales is JLR would have to build this into the price.

    It would certainly be an incentive to make the vehicles more reliable to start with, but I bet they would increase the amount of servicing required given they now carry the risk.

    Which is exactly what the big players have done for years,that’s why they lead the sales race.

    The big issue for some is the newer ‘Lemon Laws’.

    Unfortunately for some owners it’s too late.

    There have been about 18 cases so far,with LR,Ford,Mercedes,VW,and a few others in the figures.
    Seems the big players,with the high sales are not represented.
    Percentage wise,it’s the European manufacturers that seem to have the issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozscott View Post
    Rhonny's new Hilux is not a sponsorship vehicle.

    You must not have driven a new dual cab with all the fruit offroad. They are very competent. It is easy to say well with leaf sprung rear and coil IFS they can't be much good but often they are very good even in stock form. And as for carrying heavy loads down low offroad they excel.

    Cheers
    I think they are terrible off road - mine is hopeless and others I’ve used equally so. I got mine stuck on some wet grass once - yes, it only has all terrains but it takes friggin ages to engage 4WD and the diff lock. I wouldn’t consider it a serious off roader at all myself. My 35 year old Rangie and 45 year old 101 run rings around it.
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    Here is a good buy - less than 100miles on it

    Here is a good buy - less than 100miles on it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tombie View Post
    Just need to think outside the box on rack design.

    Easily built to not be mounted forward - which is against ADRs unless an exemption has been granted.
    Yes but the cost will be higher and not what the customer typically wants or is used too. Sil's business have suffeted agro already cause "geez..the salesman didn't tell me that".

    But...there's always some smart person out there to work a solution eg to turn off the offending systems...but at a cost🙄

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homestar View Post
    I think they are terrible off road - mine is hopeless and others I’ve used equally so. I got mine stuck on some wet grass once - yes, it only has all terrains but it takes friggin ages to engage 4WD and the diff lock. I wouldn’t consider it a serious off roader at all myself. My 35 year old Rangie and 45 year old 101 run rings around it.
    Comparing my top spec Triton (highway tyres) with my modified and lifted D2 with CDL and 31inch Duratracs the factory Triton with an aggressive multi mode traction control and rear diff lock is not embarrassed. And the Triton can comfortably take a fair bit more weight doing it. I'm very impressed with it. Sure the clearance isn't as good but nothing hangs down in the Triton. The SuperSelect II makes it the same as driving a modern LR (other utes havent got that) and it goes into 4 low, CDL, and rear diff lock very quickly if you know how to drive it.

    Cheers

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    Super select has always been a good reliable system. Hopefully they will stick with it and not cheapen the drive train. Think you have the pick of the utes there....with early engines issues now sorted and styling finally looking quite good.

    I had an early model Triton as a work car..it nearly crippled me with crap seats...brakes and suspension. I swapped it out after 3 months.

    Clearly Mitsu has worked very hard to improve them both on road and off road. ..with a sort of LR traction system😎

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