“Headlights faults detected”.....an understatement if ever I heard one...Quote:
Originally Posted by 101RRS
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“Headlights faults detected”.....an understatement if ever I heard one...Quote:
Originally Posted by 101RRS
So from what I read , the test drive Defender was $115k , unsure if that was drive away.... One can only wonder what market LR is chasing , main competitors in that price range would be - New Discovery - Range Rover - Lexus ( unsure if they have a true 4x4 ) - top of the range Land Cruiser.. I am sure there are a few others in there.
Makes you wonder where LR head is if its taking away sales from its own brand... Sadly the D3 will likely be my last LR after buying my first 1 in the early 90s.
Bulletman
The one I looked at yesterday was $106k drive away, with partial leather seats, roof rack, snorkel and side box (not sure about benefit of this extra).
Overall I was impressed, very roomy inside. But I didn’t drive it.
I can see the D5 and RRS would be in the same market niche. I can see the new 110 appealing to many D3/4 owners who don’t like the D5, and some Defender owners.
I hear you loud and clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bulletman
My D4 is the same,i have made the decision,negotiating the sale with a Forum member ATM.
Its a shame,LR have nothing that suits,the new Deefer may have done,but i needed something before 31/12/20,to qualify for the 100% asset write off,which saves our company a huge amount of $.
Bought the first one in '99,been around them all my life,the S1 in my sig was the first vehicle i ever travelled in,and the only vehicle my parents had for the first 10yrs of my life.Then a Rover 75 was added,then a two door Classic.
Hopefully the new vehicle will be fine,which i am sure it will be,in 5 yrs time,will see what else is around,particularly the new Deefer.
On a side note,been looking on the Deefer UK sites,seem to be quite a few silly issues with them,similar issues that D5 are having,which isn't good.
Sure, its a new vehicle,but these days,i don't believe its acceptable.
Other manufacturers can do so much better with this type of thing,LR 'should' be able to do the same.
Issues seem to be software related from what I've read..so should be relatively easy to resolve.
Yes, LR should be able to do same, but who'd want to copy Hilux DPF problems (my eldest son has been invited to join a class action as he bought a new one in Feb this year) Ranger 10 speed auto box problems, Mazda diesel engine problems and on it goes.Quote:
Originally Posted by scarry
Such is the cost of design and development these days they are all under extreme pressure from the business accountants to get their vehicles on the road and sold asap prior full development if necessary, in order to maintain some sort of cash flow to survive and assist with further development.
Thats one of the many issues,that they don't seem to be able to solve.Quote:
Originally Posted by INter674
Doesn't seem easy at all,its been going on for years in D5.[bigsad]
But % wise,the others just don't have the issues,particularly the Jap and Thailand built vehicles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Discodicky
The Tojo class action will never go ahead.Unlike the huge fines both Ford Aus and VW paid in the last few years.
As for DPF's,had them in our work vans for years,not one issue.
The problem is L/R is starting from the bottom of the ladder in regards to reliability reputation , doesnt matter if its correct or not , in the pub test L/R is the pits , so they need to do it better than others from the start if they wish to change that perception.Quote:
Originally Posted by Discodicky
When they can compete with the Pajero for drive away price , i will look at their newer products but at north of $90k they have put themselves in a very limited market. Sure the Pajero isnt as capable will be the arguement , but not everyone buys a 4wd for serious stuff , most are just the weekend warrior coupled with the daily driver.
Anyway its all been hashed out before , but when people fork out their hard earned on a new vehicle no matter what brand , they dont want any issues , be it as you described above or software , it all takes away from the enjoyment of the purchase.
Bulletman
Agree..they all have issues of some sort..there's no such thing as a perfect car esp new cars with new tech. Proven cars tend to be run out models which many buyers don't want cause they're not 'new' and lose value quickly and have fewer features and refinements.
A friend has found that out with his new Paj..sure it's proven and should be reliable but it looks and feels dated. He's already planning lots of mods to improve power, throttle response and off road ability. A path well trodden by most 4wdrivers😎
Interestingly he did a comparison with a new police Prado and found both were about the same off road but the Prado was quieter and smoother on road. The Paj was slightly faster and better handling and has more features..eg better sound system. I guess their similarity reflects the age of the designs and the target audience...eg soccer mums for the yota..retirees for the Paj.
..I won't mention the LC200s teething issues and ongoing dusting issues snd chassis cracking issues oh and alt and starter probs..again🙄
