Thread: P400 and towing

Fuel consumption aside, I am interested in draw bar stretching power but I am not to prepared to go to a yank tank.

So which one will stretch the draw bar further, accelerate better with the caravan while overtaking & maintain uphill speed?

• D5 V6 with 225kw/700nm
• Defender P400 with 294kw/550nm

Originally Posted by PeterJ

Yeah, could not agree more about the comments as far as fuel economy is concerned, hence very nearly purchased a Y62 earlier this year, it has a very big tank and even at 25 l/100 (towing) you get a reasonable range. Coupled with the fact that they will cope with standard ULP if that's all that is available, then petrol is a proposition.
The P400 might consume a bit less, it has a much smaller tank and no clue about if it will stomach ULP. So the equation for towing range and fuel management is for me at least an important consideration. An auxiliary fuel tank for the P400 would sell me on it I think.
The 2021 diesel, (225kw & 650 N.m if I remember correctly) will certainly have the numbers to tow and uses less fuel than the P400 but also a smaller fuel tank to accommodate the AdBlue.
So, getting real world numbers helps with the decision.
Pros and cons abound.

L/R build some of the most capable 4x4 around , but still havent worked out that a good size or even 2 fuel tanks should be standard. Toyota learnt this a long time ago..

Bulletman

Originally Posted by Milton477

Fuel consumption aside, I am interested in draw bar stretching power but I am not to prepared to go to a yank tank.

So which one will stretch the draw bar further, accelerate better with the caravan while overtaking & maintain uphill speed?

• D5 V6 with 225kw/700nm
• Defender P400 with 294kw/550nm

I often choose hills to overtake trucks in my 230kw/700nm 4.4 TDV8 L322 with my tall 2.5T van attached, with no difficulty getting to a 110 kph limit quite quickly. I suspect either of your listed engines would do the job well but I would expect the petrol to use considerably more fuel overall.

Originally Posted by Bulletman

L/R build some of the most capable 4x4 around , but still havent worked out that a good size or even 2 fuel tanks should be standard. Toyota learnt this a long time ago..

Only for some of their models but not the 200 series - it may have a larger tank than a D3/D4/RRS but in diesel form only has the same range due to their its guzzling engine and worse when towing something.

Originally Posted by 101RRS

Only for some of their models but not the 200 series - it may have a larger tank than a D3/D4/RRS but in diesel form only has the same range due to their its guzzling engine and worse when towing something.

Not sure Garry , but the 200 series I drove at work would have had around 140ltrs and towing a trailer with about 2t from darwin to Karumba did 800ks easy, reckon would have done 1000 but never tested it. that was sitting on between 90-110 depending. I know it doesnt have a long range tank fitted.

My mates prado has 150ltr standard so i can only compare what i have personal experience with.

Bulletman

Originally Posted by Bulletman

L/R build some of the most capable 4x4 around , but still havent worked out that a good size or even 2 fuel tanks should be standard. Toyota learnt this a long time ago..

Bulletman

What a great selling point it would be,we have listened to what people want,and fitted a large fuel tank.


Sure they are highly capable,but for the buyers,i wonder how many put this at the top of the list for reasons to buy one.

Originally Posted by scarry

What a great selling point it would be,we have listened to what people want,and fitted a large fuel tank.


Sure they are highly capable,but for the buyers,i wonder how many put this at the top of the list for reasons to buy one.

I would say 90% of grey nomads look at some form of fuel range when looking at a tow tug. Read most threads in the D3/D4 sections on touring/towing and fuel range and tank size always comes up. Even in this thread , 1 of the main issues is fuel range, which is what i originally replied too.

I know many many toyota owners and they all comment on the benifit of not needing to buy long range tank when looking at towing. Yep , i know the standard L/R owner reply will be not having to buy after market suspension , etc etc etc.

For me it just shows L/R are still designing these vehicles to be able to do a couple of laps of Windsor castle and thats enough fuel range.

Bulletman

Originally Posted by Bulletman

Not sure Garry , but the 200 series I drove at work would have had around 140ltrs and towing a trailer with about 2t from darwin to Karumba did 800ks easy, reckon would have done 1000 but never tested it. that was sitting on between 90-110 depending. I know it doesnt have a long range tank fitted.

My mates prado has 150ltr standard so i can only compare what i have personal experience with.

Bulletman

Exactly,been away with mates with them,they do 950 to 1200K to a tank easy,not towing.Can do more not loaded.Tank takes around 132L usable,D4 is around 76 usable.

That is a fact,not what a brother said his uncle said the daughter once did.

Many around are fully modded and weight upwards of 3.5T,empty,no doubt they would use more fuel,but relatively stock,are not that bad on fuel considering.
And once again,its only a few $ here or there in the whole scheme of things,particularly if you look at depreciation of a new vehicle,which is thousands of $ each year.