This must be embarrassing for Land Rover

Yes he does have some good points.

Although he is completely wrong about the ride.If its similar to D4,its way better, and will handle better than a 200,although the 200 has much more comfortable seats than D4(in my opinion).

You cant beat the ride and handling of IS and EAS.

My thoughts are it shouldn't have been called a Defender,the Defender is a completely different vehicle, in every way.

Holden did it with the Dunny Dore,Ford got rid of the Falcon name, which was the right thing to do, although they didn't have anything like a replacement for it.

Doug’s locked and loaded. I pray for LR this goes better than TFL.

I Bought a New 2020 Land Rover Defender! (And Here's Why) - YouTube

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Had some interesting Chats with a few in the 4wd and over landing game in South Africa.

Seems he was quite the “cash for comment” fellow and would throw tantrums when manufacturers & workshops wouldn’t fit all their new gear for free in exchange for public comment.

As they cut him off the tantrums got worse.

He’s technically inept - and when it’s highlighted on his videos the comments get shut down.

I wouldn’t listen to a thing he has to say.

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Jesuz Mike. I thought you at least could count up to five.[bigrolf]

It must be fun fun fun around you workplace when the guys plant the explosive charges if you taught them.:oops2::Rolling:

OK,back to fitting winches, this will interest many on here no doubt.

Part one of 4.

Land Rover Defender 2020 Winch Bumper Install Part 1 - Unboxing & Front End Strip Down - YouTube

Certainly a bit more complicated than fitting a winch to the old Defender.....[bighmmm][biggrin]

It just shows how complicated this thing is.

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OK,back to fitting winches, this will interest many on here no doubt.

Part one of 4.

Land Rover Defender 2020 Winch Bumper Install Part 1 - Unboxing & Front End Strip Down - YouTube

Certainly a bit more complicated than fitting a winch to the old Defender.....[bighmmm][biggrin]

It just shows how complicated this thing is.

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I think it is five parts now! Yes very complex and Simon points out some crazy Land Rover instructions and comes up with more practical solutions. Seems they haven’t thought some of this stuff through...

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Certainly a bit more complicated than fitting a winch to the old Defender.....[bighmmm][biggrin]

It just shows how complicated this thing is.

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What this version of a winch install appears to highlight is how incompetent LR trained workshops must be.
Nowhere in that vid did it show any complicated 'loom' that could not potentially be cut and not repaired in some way(as compared to TFL).

Would be interesting to see exactly what loom they cut in the TFL saga.
Only one that easily comes to mind from the video series linked too above is the camera wiring. (part 1 at 20:20)
Other than this wire type, what makes latest generation LR wires so hard to repair?


More complicated modern cars .. did we really expect anything else?
A current model cruiser or hilux is more complicated than an 'analogue' model without airbags, crash cans, radar cruise... blah blah.

All modern vehicles are more complicated to do any modifications too, because that's what manufacturers seem to think we all want. That's the price of progress(safety/features/comfort/etc).
I suspect that with the active market,, there is a fair bit of built in deliberate complication from the manufacturer.
Most active lifestyle .. so called SUV market vehicles are fashion accessories(to the customer). They care very little for the ability of the vehicle or the accessory fitted .. it just has to look good.
Accessories are a good profit earner for both manufacturer and dealer. Make the vehicle more simple and every mug and his half baked mate will get into accessory manufacturing.
Make it more complicated, and potentially dangerous to mod a vehicle = $ for the manufacturer.

I think LR clearly shows this type of marketing strategy here.

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What this version of a winch install appears to highlight is how incompetent LR trained workshops must be.
Nowhere in that vid did it show any complicated 'loom' that could not potentially be cut and not repaired in some way(as compared to TFL).

Would be interesting to see exactly what loom they cut in the TFL saga.
Only one that easily comes to mind from the video series linked too above is the camera wiring. (part 1 at 20:20)
Other than this wire type, what makes latest generation LR wires so hard to repair?

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We will never know the truth about the two TFL issues, and exactly what happened.
The dealers will say anything.

It would only take an electrical plug to get damaged by a tech or one to fall apart, and that could be called as a damaged wiring loom,probably cut when trying to fix it.

LR seem to be experts at over complicating everything, those louvres seem another complication, and something else to fail.

I have found every LR dealer I have ever used absolutely hopeless,and this issue seems very common going on posts on here over the years.

This comes about from the very low volume of sales.

Land Rover is a second or third franchise for most dealers and training is probably limited to one mechanic, who may leave or be sick or on holidays.

Mix that with the bewildering array of computers and wiring in the modern Land Rovers and that is the outcome, of course as well as poor quality control.

How many different computers are in a new Defender?
It also looks like there are some quality problems with the Ingenium engines if reports of low compression and engine replacement are true.

I have to hand it to Toyota who generally are very conservative in trend setting new advances, but they usually work when they are introduced.

Regards PhilipA