New Deefer on 35's

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Originally Posted by Loubrey

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This will be the same approach with my new L663 Defender and I'll put money on it that a vehicle with thousands of dollars will only be marginally (if at all) capable than a stock vehicle on 33" tyres.

The Grenadier is going to cost more than the new Defender on every comparable model, so they will be killing themselves with lack of sales long before it has a chance of becoming a real rival.

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TFL showed recently the major inherent issue with the new Defender, and that is that most will need 19+ inch wheel due to brake limitations.


70 aspect ratio tyres for 19's are very thin on the ground .... if not impossible to find!

Vehicle may be the most capable ever, but if tyres are blown to bits at every rock climb, that capability is wasted.

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Originally Posted by AK83

TFL showed recently the major inherent issue with the new Defender, and that is that most will need 19+ inch wheel due to brake limitations.

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That problem is officially solved now in Australia. TuffAnt have an ADR-compliant, certified and LR-supported brake caliper modification to enable the downsize from 19" to 18" wheels.

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Originally Posted by AK83

TFL showed recently the major inherent issue with the new Defender, and that is that most will need 19+ inch wheel due to brake limitations.

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The "bottom" two variants Defender and Defender S can travel on 18" rims. I would hazard a guess that the majority of owners who play among the rocks and further afield will be in that category. Even 18" won't necessarily be carried in stock. I had order-in standard size tyres for my 16" wheels when in Kalgoorlie!

The Grenadier is going to cost more than the new Defender on every comparable model, ...quote

where did you see prices to confirm that?

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Originally Posted by ramblingboy42

The Grenadier is going to cost more than the new Defender on every comparable model, ...quote

where did you see prices to confirm that?

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Just need to extrapolate estimates and can see by the time it gets here, complies, taxes etc it’s going to be well up there.

I’ll take a punt and say the base Grenadier will land in Oz for $90k and go from there.

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Originally Posted by Tombie

Just need to extrapolate estimates and can see by the time it gets here, complies, taxes etc it’s going to be well up there.

I’ll take a punt and say the base Grenadier will land in Oz for $90k and go from there.

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Plus on roads,so will be up over a $100K easy,before it lands in the driveway.

Hopefully it has more room in the rear load area than the new 110.

Although the 130 is on the horizon,with probably a huge price increase over the 110.

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Originally Posted by TB

That problem is officially solved now in Australia. TuffAnt have an ADR-compliant, certified and LR-supported brake caliper modification to enable the downsize from 19" to 18" wheels.

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Yeah, and this is what those folks in Colorado(USA) seem to have fitted to theirs.

My point to Loubrey, that while many may opt for this type of mod for the sake of vanity, the reality is that most Defers will probably come out with the 19" or 20" wheel options.
How many D200's will sell .. folks want 400Hp!! .. got to get the kids to kindie quickly!

19's really only seem to come in highway terrain types. Near impossible to find any off road tyre in 19" rim size.

If you go to 20" rims, you can get US imperial type tyres in off road configs. Availability here is Aus .. would be questionable tho.
Impossible to find in 33", and hard to find in 35" for 20" rims(here in Aus) .. and they're still quite low profile.

Would be interesting to see how well, say, a 33" tyre on an 18" or 20" rim would fit under the new Defender.

The TFL incident was so funny to watch(blown tyres episode). I wasn't expecting the second blown tyre, I was expecting some other bit to fail, or that it was going to sail through effortlessly.

On my D1 an easy trip into Wonangatta on some very easy tracks(on tyres) I saw 4 punctures simply due to the weak construction of the tyres(well known manufacturer). This is on 70 series tyres that should have handled the tracks without any dramas. In my driveway at home(which I definitely don't remember using tek screws as the base!) in the 4 years I had those tyres, I had 20 punctures or so(maybe 15, and then Wonangatta trip ended up causing the 20th puncture!) .. either way, with still plenty of life in them, I got rid of them.
Got rid of them for a set of really cheapie cheapies, and not a single issue with them in 2+ years, and so much so that pressures haven't deviated from those that I set when new. New tyres are 75s and LT.

Don’t know why you think 35s for 20s would be an issue to source.

They’re on the shelf at 3 local shops

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Originally Posted by AK83

My point to Loubrey, that while many may opt for this type of mod for the sake of vanity,

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I like a few like minded P400 and D300 owners on the Aussie FB owners group will be undertaking the Tuff Ant conversion
from 19' to 18" and it has nothing to do with vanity, it is so we can fit decent off road tyres and not be beholden to the limited
choice from LR. You can source LT based tyres in 18', which will give me far more confidence when off the beaten track than
the swiss cheese side wall based Goodyears ..

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Originally Posted by zilch

I like a few like minded P400 and D300 owners on the Aussie FB owners group will be undertaking the Tuff Ant conversion
from 19' to 18" and it has nothing to do with vanity, it is so we can fit decent off road tyres and not be beholden to the limited
choice from LR...

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Yep!
Doesn't sound like vanity to me either.
Some folks have their methods and that's all they seem to understand, maybe haven't had issues that others have had.
So their default shout out is to belittle others' choices as frivolous.

Will be interesting to see yours when done.