Thread: Off road/ touring - New Defender vs Grenadier

Originally Posted by Samblers

I wonder how IG compares with 110 in terms of cargo. Hard to tell, from website renders/ photos.

So did you decide to stick with 110/ D4? Consider IG in the future?

For me the time is soon coming when I want more comfort/ features than the 110 can offer.

I know what you mean about the comfort of the 110.

But they do ride well,better than any 70 series.

We had the D4 for almost 10yrs,needed something similar size,comfort,etc.

We were left with no option but to look at other brands and ended up with an LC,luckily got in before the prices went silly.

It suited our needs.

The IG wasn't really on the radar a couple of years ago,and like i said i dont think the first of a new brand or model of any vehicle would be a great option,but that is just me.If i had to chose between the two,now,i would go the ND130,and probably have to wait years for it.

I'm actually pretty OK with the 110 ride quality and seating position - even for long trips - it's the other types of 'comfort' that I hanker for (convenience, ease, noise, visual comfort, etc.). Most driving I do is around the city and the manual gearbox is a drag. The Mrs no longer wants to drive the 110.

IG seems like a 110 with all the old problems solved... and a few new ones (or anxieties at least) introduced - some mentioned above. Maybe in 2 or 3 years these will have been put to bed.

But as you referred to, it comes down to choice (or lack of it). Not much compares to the original 110, except the IG. ND is awesome, but is more akin to a LC (or a prado, a Nissan, etc), and I can't seem to find any of these desirable.

Originally Posted by one_iota

I'd be seeing my tax advisor not listening to the sales rep.

LCT is paid by the seller - so if they choose not to pass on the cost then they are liable - not the buyer.

Of course the seller will pass on if they are liable, but if Ineos have obtained a private tax ruling then they will be covered and the ATO won’t chase them (as seller) for payment.

Either way the buyer does not need to be concerned if a seller does not charge LCT as it is aways the seller that the ATO will go after for LCT.

This tax ruling may also mean the Grenadier has be deemed to be a commercial vehicle as well - like a dual cab utility. Will be interesting to read the private tax ruling.

Some more info on the Ineos Tax Ruling - looks like it is based on the Grenadier being deemed a “Medium Goods Vehicle” as the GVM is 3550kg. Also means it won’t be subject to ANCAP safety testing which gets it around not likely to get a 5 star rating (sounds like the old Defender!)

LCT exemption cuts price of Ineos Grenadier | GoAuto

Hence most likely has been deemed to be a commercial vehicle and not a passenger vehicle for LCT purposes.

Originally Posted by DiscoDB

Hence most likely has been deemed to be a commercial vehicle and not a passenger vehicle for LCT purposes.

Not most likely, is exactly what they say. It’s deemed a commercial vehicle.

Originally Posted by DiscoJeffster

Not most likely, is exactly what they say. It’s deemed a commercial vehicle.

A commercial vehicle is defined.

"Commercial vehicles are designed for the principal purpose of carrying goods used for business or trade.

They are not subject to LCT."

So I think that the IG is using another avenue. A twin cab ute it isn't. The hard top new Defender available in the UK would fit this defintion.

Originally Posted by one_iota

A commercial vehicle is defined.

"Commercial vehicles are designed for the principal purpose of carrying goods used for business or trade.

They are not subject to LCT."

So I think that the IG is using another avenue. A twin cab ute it isn't. The hard top new Defender available in the UK would fit this defintion.

Really, who honestly cares. They have got an exemption “as a private ruling” so whatever the justification, they have it.

Landcruiser 76 series is also a commercial vehicle & as such is LCT free.