Thread: Adding Fuel - BEWARE

Originally Posted by Beasdefender

...unless one of you clever fellas has worked out how to solve the problem ...

Where do I start?
There are two problems really, but I'll get to the second one later. The first issue is bypassing - what I presume is - the misfuelling device in the filler neck. If you were to chance your arm and use a funnel of some sort it may have triggered the device which would have made any fuelling impossible until the device was reset. I have no idea how the system works in a new Defender. The D4 device came with a plastic reset tool. Others here will explain how the Defender system works.
But the second problem is that you should have sorted this before undertaking your trip. There are so many things that can go wrong in remote locations that you may as well sort out the easy ones in advance and be as prepared as you can for the weird ones. For the D4 I was able to fit a second tank and a dual filler which didn't have a misfuelling device and allowed the use of high flow nozzles. For jerry can refuelling I pack a metal long nose offset filler (onto which a water separator can sit to filter dodgy outback diesel) which can be held in place in the filler neck while I manhandle the jerry can.
Relying on someone else at the end of a phone to sort out a basic issue should not be a part of any trip plan.

Originally Posted by DieselLSE

Relying on someone else at the end of a phone to sort out a basic issue should not be a part of any trip plan.

To be fair, you can only find a workaround if know the the problem exists.

At least he has put it out there, and I'm sure there will be a solution, maybe as simple as a funnel with a spout that opens the little door, and we will all learn something.

Tony

Originally Posted by DieselLSE

Where do I start?
There are two problems really, but I'll get to the second one later. The first issue is bypassing - what I presume is - the misfuelling device in the filler neck. If you were to chance your arm and use a funnel of some sort it may have triggered the device which would have made any fuelling impossible until the device was reset. I have no idea how the system works in a new Defender. The D4 device came with a plastic reset tool. Others here will explain how the Defender system works.
But the second problem is that you should have sorted this before undertaking your trip. There are so many things that can go wrong in remote locations that you may as well sort out the easy ones in advance and be as prepared as you can for the weird ones. For the D4 I was able to fit a second tank and a dual filler which didn't have a misfuelling device and allowed the use of high flow nozzles. For jerry can refuelling I pack a metal long nose offset filler (onto which a water separator can sit to filter dodgy outback diesel) which can be held in place in the filler neck while I manhandle the jerry can.
Relying on someone else at the end of a phone to sort out a basic issue should not be a part of any trip plan.

Even with the device tripped in the D4,fuel can still be dribbled in.It could be in the D4 we had.
I never found out what actually tripped it,but we had just done over 100km on a very badly corrogated road,so i put it down to the corrogations.

I agree,i would have looked more closely before i set off,particularly doing touring.

There must be a way to put fuel in the tank from a jerrycan,its supposedly a touring vehicle.

Believe it or but the diesel Ford Escape has the same problem.

Cant fill with a jerry can.

Ford supplies a little funnel that is located in the foam spare tyre surround thing.

From memory it is grey.

Works for Landrover D4's & 5's

I know because once at work we had to off hire a 1000 litre diesel fuel cell and the hire company said they would charge us to clean the tank if it came back partially full so we divvied it up into jerry cans so had to use the funnel thing to make it work.

Originally Posted by chuck

Believe it or but the diesel Ford Escape has the same problem.

Cant fill with a jerry can.

Ford supplies a little funnel that is located in the foam spare tyre surround thing.

From memory it is grey.

Works for Landrover D4's & 5's

I know because once at work we had to off hire a 1000 litre diesel fuel cell and the hire company said they would charge us to clean the tank if it came back partially full so we divvied it up into jerry cans so had to use the funnel thing to make it work.

The Defender also comes with a small funnel. It is white and in the foam insert with the jack and wheel brace.

My fuel cans all have nozzles and when we carried jerry cans we also carried a funnel with a fine mesh screen - in the absence of a screw on nozzle or carrying a funnel, how would you get the fuel in? Just slosh it in from the mouth of the jerry can?

I think it all comes down to the diameter of the nozzle, the petrol nozzles are smaller and trigger the mis-fuel device.

So if your funnel or jerrycan have a petrol size nozzle (likely) then you will have this problem.

Likewise some rural service stations use what they have on hand and have been known to use to UPL nozzles on diesel pumps.

It's been a while since I fuelled a petrol car but don't they have a small hole with a flap that pushed aside by the nozzle? And the diesel with a misfueling device gets triggered by the same small nozzle?

Originally Posted by kenl

I think it all comes down to the diameter of the nozzle, the petrol nozzles are smaller and trigger the mis-fuel device.

So if your funnel or jerrycan have a petrol size nozzle (likely) then you will have this problem.

Likewise some rural service stations use what they have on hand and have been known to use to UPL nozzles on diesel pumps.

It's been a while since I fuelled a petrol car but don't they have a small hole with a flap that pushed aside by the nozzle? And the diesel with a misfueling device gets triggered by the same small nozzle?

Cant the funnel or the nozzle on the Jerry be held back a bit so it doesnt go into the filler hole?

Often takes two people,this is what i used to do on the D4,with no issues.

In fact with the D4,a wheelie bin,if there is one around, was just the right height to support the jerry,as it was draining in to the tank.MAy work with the Defender as well?

On another note,if i had a Defender,the first mod i would do is get the aftermarket fuel tank,until one has had a large fuel tank,you dont realise how handy they for touring ,particularly when towing.