New Defender - Servicing

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Originally Posted by Discodicky

There is another reason for the ridiculously long service intervals..... Marketing [biggrin]Strategy.
Convince (by advertising) a prospective customer that their running (servicing) costs are significantly lower if they buy your vehicle..

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Some people are talked into things easily.

As I said previously,if you follow the arduous schedule,and using the D300 as an example,you are actually going backwards,that is using more oil,due to the large engine oil capacity,than a typical engine of equivalent size and specs,that has a smaller sump capacity,and shorter oil change intervals as standard.

The Jap/Thai/Korean brand of vehicles seem to have stayed with shorter oil change intervals,most have very little,if any engine issues,many well documented as the most reliable around.

Seems in many instances,LR try to reinvent the wheel,but it continually comes back and bites them on the arse.[biggrin]

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Originally Posted by scarry

Some people are talked into things easily.......

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Absolutely!

Not here of course.

Observing conversations on Basebook there is a significant number of new and naive for whom a service every 2 years or so seems like a good deal....they are caught up in the fashionable idea of the new Defender.

If I was a dealer I'd be pressing the argument for shorter intervals. My dealer says 12 months for a major. I'll be using an indie six months in between.

My indie with whom I have a ten year servicing relationship will look at things other than oil change.....brake pads, damage, lubricant leaks, potential warranty items, yada yada

At the end of the day, if you’re keeping it beyond the warranty then it makes sense to invest in additional maintenance. If however you’re only looking to use it for five years, say you’re leasing it etc, then you’d just follow the factory service interval and be covered by the warranty if anything goes wrong. Your resale impact after five years if you followed the factory interval or additional servicing will be negligible.

Service history rules when it comes to resale.

I'd be very wary of buying a leased vehicle without it!

The more servicing the better.

Does a Defender check oil quality in the engine and suggest service requirements?

The reason I ask is because my X5 with 3L inline diesel has CBS (Condition Based Servicing) and apparently there is/are sensor(s) in the engine which monitor oil quality. I believe the maximum interval between servicing is 2 years but if the vehicle detects the oil quality to be outside of "acceptable" range, it creates a new service requirement. The best thing is these services are covered as part of the BMW service plan i.e. the service plan doesn't list a fixed number of oil changes.

During COVID times when I was driving short distances, it suggested an oil change after 8 months and approx. 8,000 kms which seemed a bit too early to me but the service center replaced the oil and oil filter without any questions. In fact, now that I think about it, I never reached the full 2 year max oil replacement intervals ever for this vehicle and it uses about 6.5 liters of oil.

Similar system would make sense and make it fool proof - change oil whenever car tells you to (max 2 years or based on quality of the oil).


Just found this online from BMW site:
The oil quality sensor measures the electrical conductivity of the oil. As the additives in the oil wear out, the resistance of the fluid changes.

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Originally Posted by jb007

Does a Defender check oil quality in the engine and suggest service requirements?

The reason I ask is because my X5 with 3L inline diesel has CBS (Condition Based Servicing) and apparently there is/are sensor(s) in the engine which monitor oil quality. I believe the maximum interval between servicing is 2 years but if the vehicle detects the oil quality to be outside of "acceptable" range, it creates a new service requirement. The best thing is these services are covered as part of the BMW service plan i.e. the service plan doesn't list a fixed number of oil changes.

During COVID times when I was driving short distances, it suggested an oil change after 8 months and approx. 8,000 kms which seemed a bit too early to me but the service center replaced the oil and oil filter without any questions. In fact, now that I think about it, I never reached the full 2 year max oil replacement intervals ever for this vehicle and it uses about 6.5 liters of oil.

Similar system would make sense and make it fool proof - change oil whenever car tells you to (max 2 years or based on quality of the oil).


Just found this online from BMW site:
The oil quality sensor measures the electrical conductivity of the oil. As the additives in the oil wear out, the resistance of the fluid changes.

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Renault had that in their vans a few years ago,I don’t know if they still have it.
It was one reason Aus Post went for them,but after other issues,they have gone back to the brand they have been using for many years….

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Originally Posted by one_iota

The little brain tells me that I'll need Adblue at 14200km. So regardless of the significant service I'll be getting oils and filters changed and everything else looked at, at least every 12 months.

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The iguide does say DEF consumption can vary greatly and averages 800km/litre therefore 20.7 litre tank averages 16560km
The little brain on my D300 tells me I have a range of 9700km That means I will need DEF at 27611km

What are others getting?

To check DEF range

Touch Settings
Touch All
Touch Vehicle
Touch Service
Adblue range will display
Exit X to return to previous screen

Jeep has a similar oil conductivity dielectric sensor in their engines. It doesn't create the service intervals like BMW apparently, seems they have that sorted. It merely tells you that the oil life is x%, and when it reaches 0, it reminds you to book a service. On ours, it's religiously serviced every 12 months or 12000km whichever comes first. the past 3 services have been every 6 months.

I wish JLR would do similar,not that hard with those new cars all connected OTA nowadays. I've got the service plan with my L663, but I intend to still get the oil changed every 12 months, whereas the std service interval is every 34000km (for the ingenium petrol engines anyway) or 2 years. Talking to my JLR service manager yesterday, he agreed that the intervals are long, but for example, the P400 engines run 8.5l of oil for a 3.0l engine, which is a lot more than usual for similar sized engines.

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Originally Posted by ramblingboy42

I dont get it.... you guys want to rearrange service scheduling on just about the newest generation of engines on the planet.....yourselves

you did not need to , nor were you recommended to change the oil in a td5 every 10,000

I dont think Land Rover would suggest a service interval that could in the remotest way cause lubrication problems.

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The TD5 also had the centrifugal oil spinner, which pro'ly helped.

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Originally Posted by ramblingboy42

I dont get it.... you guys want to rearrange service scheduling on just about the newest generation of engines on the planet.....yourselves

I dont think Land Rover would suggest a service interval that could in the remotest way cause lubrication problems.

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They have on Auto gearboxes for decades.

Many are pretty certain the service intervals on the LR Lion diesels are way too long,TDV6,SDV6.

Backed up by the fact the same Lion engine is now in the Ford Ranger,was in the Ford Territory,both with much shorter service intervals.
And with the Ford Territory,very few failures compared to LR.