Thread: How to complicate things

Originally Posted by scarry

Land Rover Defender Recovery Guide - How To Release EPB Brake + Park to Neutral - YouTube

Not to worry. They're never going to break down.... Are they?

The "simpler" version:

Land Rover Defender L663 Recovery Guide - Unofficial Method - YouTube

Originally Posted by one_iota

The "simpler" version:

Land Rover Defender L663 Recovery Guide - Unofficial Method - YouTube

Having the lever in the engine bay on the earlier models seemed the best way by far,maybe i am missing something,or it wasn't complicated enough...

On the newer models, how do you go if there is no battery power or the engine can not be started for whatever reason?

Still seems unnecessarily complicated,makes the D4 set up seem easy,and more practicle as well.

Originally Posted by scarry

Having the lever in the engine bay on the earlier models seemed the best way by far,maybe i am missing something,or it wasn't complicated enough...

On the newer models, how do you go if there is no battery power or the engine can not be started for whatever reason?

Still seems unnecessarily complicated,makes the D4 set up seem easy,and more practicle as well.

Why can't I find any YT vids on how to put my D2 in neutral... or my Ford, for that matter?

Originally Posted by Tins

Why can't I find any YT vids on how to put my D2 in neutral... or my Ford, for that matter?

Probably the same reason there has never been any screetching from the handbrake on either of them.

Some fact checking:

According to the owners guide In order for this procedure (release of the transmission park to lock the transmission in neutral) to work the following conditions need to apply:

1. The vehicle must be stationary [chock the wheels]
2. The EPB Electric Parking Brake must be applied. [common to all models]
3. The vehicle battery must be sufficiently charged [to power the electrics and crank the engine}
4. The engine cranks but fails to start [note: the engine doesn't need to start, just crank over]

The rest is as described by Simon in his roundabout way in the videos.

So what are the situations that require this procedure, presumably to be towed to a place where it can be put on a tilt bed truck?

The engine stops but will crank and won't start.
There is a driveline failure, diff, torque converter.....?

If the battery is insufficiently charged to crank the motor use someone else's battery or a starter pack.

What happens in the previous cable-actuated solution if the cable comes adrift or the lever handle on the actuator breaks

So a bad day is if for some reason other than a flat battery the engine won't crank. So if all else fails drag it!

Originally Posted by one_iota

Some fact checking:

According to the owners guide In order for this procedure (release of the transmission park to lock the transmission in neutral) to work the following conditions need to apply:

1. The vehicle must be stationary [chock the wheels]
2. The EPB Electric Parking Brake must be applied. [common to all models]
3. The vehicle battery must be sufficiently charged [to power the electrics and crank the engine}
4. The engine cranks but fails to start [note: the engine doesn't need to start, just crank over]

The rest is as described by Simon in his roundabout way in the videos.

So what are the situations that require this procedure, presumably to be towed to a place where it can be put on a tilt bed truck?

The engine stops but will crank and won't start.
There is a driveline failure, diff, torque converter.....?

If the battery is insufficiently charged to crank the motor use someone else's battery or a starter pack.

What happens in the previous cable-actuated solution if the cable comes adrift or the lever handle on the actuator breaks

So a bad day is if for some reason other than a flat battery the engine won't crank. So if all else fails drag it!

I was advised by local LR dealer service manager, for the procedure described in the manual to work the conditions listed above need to be true (including #4 The engine cranks but fails to start) That means you require an engine problem.
I was keen to practice a stress free recovery drill, but was warned not to play with the electronics as I could compromise the computer. They assured me the recovery agent would know what to do?

Not what you would want the hear with a problem on the beach with the tide coming in with no phone reception

Unfortunately the Simon PowerfulUK unofficial method only releases the EPB and requires the motor running to select neutral

Are any of the scan tools capable of defeating both the transmission Park and the EPB for a recovery situation? Has anyone used the IGUIDE(owner manual) Recovery Method, successfully in a real recovery situation?