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						SupporterG'day all.
Had the Defender 18 months now and looking to maximize storage space for upcoming desert trips.
Currently looking to remove the 2nd row seats to add a false floor to accommodate a water bladder underneath and storage/fridge on top.
I've searched this forum and various FB groups but have not been able to find anything on the subject.
Has anyone researched/done this or is able to provide the relevant Topix instructions please.
Many thanks, Jock.
Cheers, Jock
MY22 L663 110 D250 Pangea Green White Roof fully kitted
MY15 D4 SDV6 SE, Fuji White - sold Nov 2021
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						This type of question came up from time to time on the D3/4 area. I don't know if the rules have changed, but I recall that there were issues with this type of modification as it affects the number of passengers the car can accommodate. This affects the road worthiness specification, then registration, insurance etc etc.. Suggest you make enquiries. (Or perhaps someone here can provide their experience.)
Check your states registration requirements!
To my knowledge the "legalities" of removing seats varies state by state and if the vehicle is not compliant in the state of registration then it is not compliant in any state. The reverse could also apply. While a random and strict check for compliance by authorities or even the registration inspection person would be rare, insurance companies might be able to get out of payment obligations if the vehicle was not regarded as roadworthy.
Mahn England
DEFENDER 110 D300 SE '23 (the S M E G)
Ex DEFENDER 110 wagon '08 (the Kelvinator)
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/members-rides/105691-one_iotas-110-inch-kelvinator.html
Ex 300Tdi Disco:
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						SupporterThanks for the responses. I’ll have a play/look at it this weekend and see how I go.
Cheers, Jock
MY22 L663 110 D250 Pangea Green White Roof fully kitted
MY15 D4 SDV6 SE, Fuji White - sold Nov 2021
Kris Eric has just done this.
Australian All New Defender Owners Group.
Mahn England
DEFENDER 110 D300 SE '23 (the S M E G)
Ex DEFENDER 110 wagon '08 (the Kelvinator)
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/members-rides/105691-one_iotas-110-inch-kelvinator.html
Ex 300Tdi Disco:
2022 Defender D250 S being set up for touring.
'83 RRC 2 door 300tdi on club plates
'82 RRC 2 door almost finished on club plates (will always be nearly finished!)
2013 Freelander (wife's)
1994 Defender ute hopefully on club plates one day
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						SubscriberI have had rear seats temporarily removed in my Disco 1 for 6 years now, no issues, I removed the 3rd row rear seats from the Disco 4 and put in a false floor and also remove the second row when touring, all in the name of weight removal and set up for touring. Never had a issue or questioned about it, insurance can only refuse a claim if the car is unroadworthy and the fault contributed to the claim
Discovery 1 4.6, true trac front and rear, superior engineering arms,old tourer now bush toy
Discovery 4 3.0 HSE MY13 ECB Bull bar, winch, spot lights, aux fuel tank, Kaymar rear bar, duel wheel carriers, 18 tuff ant wheels 265/65/18 BFG KO2's for play
I have done some searching on the web (just out of my own curiosity). I found it challenging to see for certain which information is up-to-date. It appears that the rules about removing seats in Victoria depend on how many seats the vehicle had originally and how many are removed. A 7 seater becoming a 5 seater does not require inspection or compliance certification.
...Removing, adding and replacing seats
NSW on the other hand: RMS requires you to have the vehicle inspected and re-classified as a lower seating capacity if you remove any pax seats. Also you have to remove any part of the seat belts relating to removed seats.
Qld: Temporary removal is OK without inspection. I couldn't find what temporary is defined as.
https://www.publications.qld.gov.au/...70c78d8269f0f6
Note:
- For vehicles fitted with seats that have SRS airbags incorporated in their construction, you must contact the vehicle manufacturer prior to either permanently or temporarily removing to determine if the seat can be removed without adversely affecting the SRS
I haven't looked into other states for fear of losing the will to live.
I also discovered that compliance plates have been (are being) phased out. The new system is a National Register of Approved Vehicles. You can see what your car is approved as by searching your VIN.
And it may be necessary to notify your insurer of changes too.
In summary: Just because you have not been challenged or checked doesn't mean you are compliant. Non-compliance can render your car being declared unroadworthy and uninsured. This varies from state to state. I strongly recommend that you do your own homework.
Last edited by Fred Nerk; 31st May 2023 at 07:07 PM. Reason: Correcting link
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