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    Odd battery drain issue

    Hi All,

    I'm new to LR - but have a 2020 P400 Defender. I've tried looking through the various other forums including this one and Youtube videos etc but have yet to find an answer.

    A few weeks after purchasing the vehicle I started experiencing low battery warnings. I looked it up and schooled myself of this being an expected issue with modern Land Rovers, fair enough.

    The car is 3 years old, so I decided to have the battery replaced regardless. Now, here is one possible explanation to my woes below. When the person who replaced the battery was pulling out the old / putting in the new battery they knocked the battery sensor plug and pulled out one of the wires (green/yellow trace). I took the car the next day to an auto electrician to repair and reset the BMS. I wonder if this caused an issue with the BMS, running the car with one of the wires disconnected.

    A few days later, same issue - battery low. Yes I've done some small trips, and long trips (40+ minutes). I also have a Noco battery charger if needed.

    I decided to install a Bluetooth battery monitor to track the voltage. Took the car for a drive and noticed that the battery is discharging whilst driving, and reading around 12.3v.

    Next experiment:
    Ignition on - drivers door open: voltage - 14.3v (awesome - its charging with the engine on)
    Ignition on - drivers door closed: Voltage - immediately drops down to 12.6 and continues to drop to 12.3 and battery draining.

    Seems so strange that the vehicle doesn't charge while driving.

    I've read on here, and other forums that battery issues have been resolved with software updates (my cars software is still from 2021 as the previous owner never had it updated). Or wondering if I should try installing a new BMS, reset it and go from there. The door open vs close thing however, has totally stumped me.

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    Smart alternator will only charge if the system demands it. The BMS needs to be reset and to be "told" that it has a new battery. There are a lot of systems to power up when the door opens, cars getting ready to go basically. There was an issue with the later L663, mine (MY23.5) had a recall just the other month with the . Definitely get the software updated. Most likely the "old" battery was still fine, if you still have it, put it on the charger, it may recover.

    I don't driving it around for 1 day, with the wire disconnected would cause harm, the car just ran on battery, not being charged by the alternator.

    The alternators in the L663 are also smart and more complicated, especially with the mild hybrid systems.

    I'd suggest a good long drive (2-3 hours) whilst monitoring the battery, it "should" charge once it drops below around 12.3-12.4V and the system demands more load.

    As a last resort, take it to a LR dealer and have them check it out, your average auto sparky would have limited knowledge on these vehicles.

    This thread is D3/D4 related, but Tim from Traxide is the guru
    Lithium batteries and smart alternators

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    Thanks Eric,

    You're right the smart alternator is behaving as it should. Last night I went for quite a long drive and the voltage was sitting at 13.1v, got home and double locked the car.

    To my surprise today, around 1/2pm I hope in the car and I'm greeted with a low battery warning.

    I checked the battery monitor and it appears as though even double locking and placing my key in a Faraday box, the battery has a consistent drain over night. Something is slowly chewing power. Anyway, turn the car on and she's driving with 14+v charging as it should be.

    I've attached the graph showing slow voltage drop over 19 or so hours.

    Hoping software updates solve this.
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    Parasitic drain, do you have any accessories like a phone charger, radar, brake controller etc? Something is definitely drawing a decent current to drain the battery. Do you have the centre console phone charger and left the phone on there?

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    The MHEV system in our cars is not like the previous alternators however smart they might be.
    It has a starter generator in place of an alternator which both starts the engine in stop start mode and harvests kinetic energy under braking to feed back into the battery.
    There's a 48V lithium in there as well as it's own DCDC to 12v in the mix but it's beyond my understanding.
    It does appear to work like an alternator though as my DCDC aux battery charger is happy with it.
    Can't help you with parasitic drain but just spent several days camping and didn't have a problem with battery drain by leaving a door cracked so the pivi didn't keep waking up and mainly using the back door which doesn't activate the pivi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric SDV6SE View Post
    Parasitic drain, do you have any accessories like a phone charger, radar, brake controller etc? Something is definitely drawing a decent current to drain the battery. Do you have the centre console phone charger and left the phone on there?
    Zero accessories or after market things on the vehicle apart from the Bluetooth battery monitor but I highly doubt that is drawing so much current.

    Also I've unplugged all USB cables inside, no phone left in there, no camera or brake controller, everything off.

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    Again, battery drained overnight.

    I'll try to do a process of elimination but hopefully in the next few weeks when JLR update firmware/software and replace the dead TCU battery it resolves itself.

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    I searched on the 48V MHEV, these may help to understand
    2020 Land Rover Discovery Sport Mild-Hybrid Technology (MHEV) - YouTube

    And

    48-Volt Mild-Hybrid System Explained

    Re your issue, could be a failing BiSG, or am issue with the 48v system?

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    I searched on the 48V MHEV, these may help to understand

    2020 Land Rover Discovery Sport Mild-Hybrid Technology (MHEV) - YouTube

    And

    48-Volt Mild-Hybrid System Explained

    Re your issue, could be a failing BiSG, or am issue with the 48v system?

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    BSIG problem just notified

    Ask about this at your dealer
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