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    P38A 4.6 & LPG conversion info

    Hi All,

    Been making some enquiries into getting the fuel drinking monster put on gas.

    Found a place in Melbourne with experience on fitting systems to P38 Range Rover's and at just over $3k seems reasonable .

    Apparently they fit a new Impco system and 70 litre donut tank in the spare wheel well..plus refit the spare wheel underneath with a new bracket.

    Any P38 owners out there who have done this recently and fitted the Impco system ??

    Any feedback appreciated..

    cheers,
    Richard

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    is that price for LPG fumigation or sequential vapour injection?

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    P38 on LPG


    I have converted my P38 and purchased the top of the range sequential vapour injection system, with a 72 usable litre donut tank in the wheel well. I considered that there was insufficient ground clearance to suspend the spare under the body, so it sits in the rear luggage space.
    Cost was $6,700 less the $2,000 rebate and included a new high quality wiring loom. Fuel consumption is around 4.5 - 4.7 km/litre in freeway crawling at peak periods and I am still playing around with that to improve it slightly. Fuel consumption in normal free running and highway cruising is much better. Even allowing for 4.5 km/litre, my fuel cost per week has dropped by $80.00 so it is well worth the effort. Performance is outstanding except for high revs acceleration, when it automatically switches back to petrol for 10 - 20 seconds.
    My conversion was done by Deacon Automotive in Bentleigh east. - Good guys to deal with and they have all of the right gear.

    I consider that it was well worth the expense.

    Jim Bellew
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    Wow that's a lot of money!

    I got a second-hand Impco system put in (the old style) for $400, 70liter tank, still have my petrol and I'm getting 4.5-4.7k's a liter although a slight loss in power.

    I imagine though that the sequential vapour system has some other benefits that the older system doesn't have.

    Cheers, Pete'

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    pete,
    Yes it is a lot compared to your S/H system, but my system uses the P38's computer to constantly analyse the mixture and adjust as necessary, plus there is no noticeable power loss. Based on your consumption figures, I will definitely be on to Deacon's to do something to improve my consumption!

    Jim

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    Thanks for your comments guys..

    The $3200 quote is for :
    • Impco gas mixer system
    • 70 litre donut tank
    • Gas filler fitted next to petrol filler
    • Mount spare wheel to a new bracket underneath
    • New spark plugs and air filter
    • 3 year warranty
    Take the $2k rebate off and suppose it's not too bad for $1200..

    Takes them 2 days..it's AG Autogas in Melbourne and apparently the owner drives a Rangie with this Impco system and thinks it's the dogs bits..suppose he would say that anyway ..

    I'm still waiting for a couple more quotes to come in and hopefully can get someone more local to do it for me..

    If not..Melbourne here I come !

    Will let you all know how I get on..

    cheers,
    Richard

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    Try KLR Automotive in Kingswood (Penrith, Western Sydney 02 4721-3675). They've just put a sequential gas injection system on a P38A for a lot less than that.

    They'll be doing mine in the next couple of weeks (I have my old venturi mixer system for sale - cheap.....)

    If the mob in Melbourne put the spare wheel underneath, there'll be bugger all ground clearance.
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    Thanks Ron...good to see you back ...

    Good timing on your part...all of a sudden there are 4 threads on P38's needing your attention !

    Will give KLR a call and see what they can do ..

    The Impco gas mixer is a conventional system and I think the cost for a Impco sequential vapour install is about $5000 at AG Autogas.

    Not found anyone in Canberra who carry out LPG installs on Rangies !

    Have one more to try in Canberra , as I would like to keep it local in case of any future issues..

    Will keep everyone updated on how I get on.

    cheers,
    Richard

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    At least Sydney is a lot closer than Melbourne.

    Oh, when I referred to price for the install, I mean a lot cheaper than the $6,700.
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    The P38A Rangie V8 motor, be it the 1995 common plenum chamber version or the 2000 Thor version, will definitely convert well on vapour sequential gas injection.

    I have heard lots of horror stories of the gas mixer technology with these engines and would avoid that sort of system with a 10 foot barge pole. The only system to use is the VSI system. There are just too many stories of back firing with the older gas mixer system to be worth doing the conversion. Each time there is a backfire through the intake system, the mass air flow sensor is destroyed and sometimes the air cleaner box too. All your savings on LPG are instantly reset back to "zero" and you would have been better off just running it on petrol.

    With the new VSI systems that are fully closed loop, the backfiring just doesn't happen and because the gas metering is more precise, you get better performance and economy.

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